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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Thu Oct 8 13:45:55 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 13:45:19 -0400
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{tIS} is a verb, being used as an adjective, so there=E2=80=99s a space =
between it and the adjective. {-Hom} is a noun suffix, and so, there are =
no spaces between it and the noun.
Multiple nouns can be merged together to become compound nouns, but it =
is unusual for Okrand to give us a new noun that includes what appears =
to be an adjective as part of that noun. It can happen. It just usually =
doesn=E2=80=99t.
Also, keep in mind that the written version of Klingon that we use is =
not truly the written Klingon language. It=E2=80=99s just a phonetic =
representation of spoken Klingon, so the placement of spaces is simply =
something that we use to make it easier to know where the word =
boundaries are. We don=E2=80=99t know that Klingon written language =
actually has spaces. Most modern Japanese writings apparently don=E2=80=99=
t use spaces. Roman writing chiseled in stone often didn=E2=80=99t use =
spaces.
But by convention, we put spaces between words, and we don=E2=80=99t =
combine words, except for relatively rare combined nouns. Creating new =
noun combinations and presenting them as compound nouns is one of those =
moderately controversial practices that some accept more than others. =
Basically, if it comes from Okrand, it=E2=80=99s okay. If it comes from =
someone else, then some people will accept it while others will reject =
it, and there=E2=80=99s an odd kind of informal, intuitive sense that =
drives certain non-Okrand complex nouns to become more widely acceptable =
than others.
For myself, it=E2=80=99s almost like using {-mey} on body parts. If it =
has a kind of poetic reasoning behind it, or if it is trying to be a =
little jarring, or if it conveys a generic sense of noun well, then =
I=E2=80=99m less inclined to snarl at it. But there=E2=80=99s no hard =
and fast rule that defines what can be a compound noun.
The point is that {De=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 tIS} can=E2=80=99t be a =
compound noun because {tIS} isn=E2=80=99t a noun.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 12:25 PM, HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > "A computer of any kind is, of course, a {De'wI'}. A laptop is a =
{De'wI'Hom} (but Maltz said that {De'wI' tIS} could be used also)."
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> why "De'wI' tIS" and not "De'wI'tIS" ?
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> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu =
<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote:
> > Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, October 08, 2015
> >
> > Klingon word: tIS
> > Part of speech: verb
> > Definition: be light (weight)
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> AFAIK never used in a sentence.
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> "A computer of any kind is, of course, a {De'wI'}. A laptop is a =
{De'wI'Hom} (but Maltz said that {De'wI' tIS} could be used also)." =
(Lieven, 11/16/2014 < qepHom 2014 < MO)
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> SEE ALSO:
> wov be light, be bright (v)
> 'ugh be heavy (v)
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> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">{tIS} is a verb, being used as an adjective, =
so there=E2=80=99s a space between it and the adjective. {-Hom} is a =
noun suffix, and so, there are no spaces between it and the =
noun.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Multiple =
nouns can be merged together to become compound nouns, but it is unusual =
for Okrand to give us a new noun that includes what appears to be an =
adjective as part of that noun. It can happen. It just usually =
doesn=E2=80=99t.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Also, keep in mind that the written version of Klingon that =
we use is not truly the written Klingon language. It=E2=80=99s just a =
phonetic representation of spoken Klingon, so the placement of spaces is =
simply something that we use to make it easier to know where the word =
boundaries are. We don=E2=80=99t know that Klingon written language =
actually has spaces. Most modern Japanese writings apparently don=E2=80=99=
t use spaces. Roman writing chiseled in stone often didn=E2=80=99t use =
spaces.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But by =
convention, we put spaces between words, and we don=E2=80=99t combine =
words, except for relatively rare combined nouns. Creating new noun =
combinations and presenting them as compound nouns is one of those =
moderately controversial practices that some accept more than others. =
Basically, if it comes from Okrand, it=E2=80=99s okay. If it comes from =
someone else, then some people will accept it while others will reject =
it, and there=E2=80=99s an odd kind of informal, intuitive sense that =
drives certain non-Okrand complex nouns to become more widely acceptable =
than others.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For=
myself, it=E2=80=99s almost like using {-mey} on body parts. If it has =
a kind of poetic reasoning behind it, or if it is trying to be a little =
jarring, or if it conveys a generic sense of noun well, then I=E2=80=99m =
less inclined to snarl at it. But there=E2=80=99s no hard and fast rule =
that defines what can be a compound noun.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The point is that {De=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99=
tIS} can=E2=80=99t be a compound noun because {tIS} isn=E2=80=99t a =
noun.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 8, 2015, at 12:25 PM, HoD qunnoQ <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">> "A computer of any kind is, =
of course, a {De'wI'}. A laptop is a=20
{De'wI'Hom} (but Maltz said that {De'wI' tIS} could be used also)."<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>why "De'wI' tIS" and not "De'wI'tIS" =
?<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Steven Boozer =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>></span> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span =
class=3D"">> Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, October 08, =
2015<br class=3D"">
><br class=3D"">
> Klingon word: tIS<br class=3D"">
> Part of speech: verb<br class=3D"">
> Definition: be light (weight)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</span>AFAIK never used in a sentence.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
"A computer of any kind is, of course, a {De'wI'}. A laptop is a =
{De'wI'Hom} (but Maltz said that {De'wI' tIS} could be used also)." =
(Lieven, 11/16/2014 < qepHom 2014 < MO)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
SEE ALSO:<br class=3D"">
wov be light, be bright =
(v)<br class=3D"">
'ugh be heavy (v)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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Voragh<br class=3D"">
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