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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: mach
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Aug 31 10:35:51 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:35:32 -0400
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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I suspect that the canon samples we get are warped toward the use of =
{-Hom} instead of {mach} simply because most of the canon is focused on =
WORDS instead of lengthy expressions of meaning, as would be the norm if =
we sampled Klingon general communication instead of canon examples.
{-Hom} doesn=E2=80=99t really mean the same thing as {mach}. The latter =
simply refers to size. The former is a designate added to an existing =
noun in order to indicate that this is a less significant variation of =
the root noun. A creek is indeed smaller than a river, but it is also =
less significant. Think about the difference between a creek and a small =
river. Technically, they are the same, because both are smaller than a =
normal river, but when you think of the terms, you think of a small =
river as being somewhat smaller than an average river, but hey, IT=E2=80=99=
S STILL A RIVER.
Meanwhile, a creek is not really just a smaller-than-typical river. =
It=E2=80=99s a creek.
Klingon wouldn=E2=80=99t likely have a separate word for creek. They=E2=80=
=99d just call it a {bIQtIqHom}.
An emissary can be physically larger than an ambassador, but we=E2=80=99d =
still call the emissary {Duy} and we=E2=80=99d call the ambassador =
{Duy=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99}. It=E2=80=99s not all about size.
Unless it=E2=80=99s a knife...
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> =
wrote:
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>> Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, August 31, 2015
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>> Klingon word: mach
>> Part of speech: verb
>> Definition: be small
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> bImach=20
> You are small. KLS
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> mach SuvwI'pu'=20
> Warriors are small. KGT
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> qIvo'rIt may'Duj mach=20
> smaller version of a K'vort class cruiser. KBoP
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> {mach} is used surprisingly little in Klingon; most prefer the type 1 =
suffix {-Hom}.
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> SEE ALSO:
> QIv be inferior (v)
> run be short (in stature) (v)
> -Hom diminutive suffix (N1): minor, little, small
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> tIn be big, be large (v)
> nIv be superior (v)
> woch be tall (v)
> Dun be great (v)
> -'a' augmentive suffix (N1): big, giant, major, great
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> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">I suspect that the canon samples we get are =
warped toward the use of {-Hom} instead of {mach} simply because most of =
the canon is focused on WORDS instead of lengthy expressions of meaning, =
as would be the norm if we sampled Klingon general communication instead =
of canon examples.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">{-Hom} doesn=E2=80=99t really mean the same thing as {mach}. =
The latter simply refers to size. The former is a designate added to an =
existing noun in order to indicate that this is a less significant =
variation of the root noun. A creek is indeed smaller than a river, but =
it is also less significant. Think about the difference between a creek =
and a small river. Technically, they are the same, because both are =
smaller than a normal river, but when you think of the terms, you think =
of a small river as being somewhat smaller than an average river, but =
hey, IT=E2=80=99S STILL A RIVER.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Meanwhile, a creek is not really just a =
smaller-than-typical river. It=E2=80=99s a creek.</div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Klingon wouldn=E2=80=99t likely have a =
separate word for creek. They=E2=80=99d just call it a =
{bIQtIqHom}.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">An =
emissary can be physically larger than an ambassador, but we=E2=80=99d =
still call the emissary {Duy} and we=E2=80=99d call the ambassador =
{Duy=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99}. It=E2=80=99s not all about size.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unless it=E2=80=99s a =
knife...</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 31, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Steven Boozer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" =
class=3D"">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, August 31, =
2015<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Klingon word: mach<br class=3D"">Part =
of speech: verb<br class=3D"">Definition: be small<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">bImach <br class=3D"">You are =
small. KLS<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">mach SuvwI'pu' <br =
class=3D"">Warriors are small. KGT<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">qIvo'rIt =
may'Duj mach <br class=3D"">smaller version of a K'vort class cruiser. =
KBoP<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">{mach} is used surprisingly little in =
Klingon; most prefer the type 1 suffix {-Hom}.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">SEE ALSO:<br class=3D"">QIv <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>be inferior (v)<br class=3D"">run =
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>be short (in stature) (v)<br class=3D"">-Hom<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>diminutive suffix (N1): minor, little, small<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">tIn<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>be big, be large (v)<br class=3D"">nIv<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>be =
superior (v)<br class=3D"">woch <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>be tall (v)<br class=3D"">Dun<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>be great =
(v)<br class=3D"">-'a'<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>augmentive suffix (N1): big, =
giant, major, great<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D"">Voragh<br class=3D"">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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