[100995] in tlhIngan-Hol
[Tlhingan-hol] qep'a' report
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Aug 5 16:44:47 2015
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn.stewart@kisik.ca>
To: "tlhIngan Hol mailing list (tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org)" <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 20:44:19 +0000
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
--===============5336585514574307658==
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="_004_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_";
type="multipart/alternative"
--_004_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_000_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_"
--_000_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know that the a highlight of qep'a' for many of the non-attendees is the =
possibility of new words or grammar from Marc Okrand. To this I generally =
say, "eat what's on your plate before you ask for more." I know that I mys=
elf do not have a perfect command of all the vocabulary and grammar we alre=
ady have, and I focus my efforts towards increasing my recall and precision=
with those words. But here is what I learned from Marc this year.
He apologized unprompted for not addressing the request list from last year=
. He still has it, and it's on his mind, just untouched.
It would appear that he is working on the current Star Trek movie, but can'=
t say anything about it under a non-disclosure agreement.
There are Klingon lines that he wrote but that were not used in the previou=
s Star Trek movie and he was unsure whether the NDA would allow him to reve=
al them to us.
He explained again that some of the tlhIngan Hol in Into Darkness had to be=
created to match the lip movements of someone speaking already created Kli=
ngon lines, WITH THE VIDEO PLAYED BACKWARDS!
He said that a leak could be said to be was the reason he was called in to =
rework the Vulcan lines for Star Trek II. Because the news of Spock's death=
leaked, they inserted the scene at the beginning where he "dies" in the Ko=
bayashi Maru scenario. That meant that in the next scene with Spock and Sa=
avik, Saavik's character had already met Kirk, so her line had to be change=
d. Enter Marc.
He didn't feel he had anything new he could report this year, so just let t=
he new people ask questions and retold stories we know and love.
I generally like to let him relax and enjoy qep'a' free from interrogation,=
but at the "Ask Marc" session he indicated that I should ask him my questi=
ons one-on-one, so here's the result of a fairly informal hallway conversat=
ion. Note that this was a conversation with Marc, not matlh, so not canon.
- be''etlh and neb'a' brought their infant son to qep'a' and I suggested to=
Marc that describing the activities of an infant would be a completely "fa=
mily-friendly" way to introduce some of the vocabulary we lack. He was rec=
eptive to that, and also mentioned that now he has retired he isn't quite a=
s concerned about the need to be "family-friendly."
- I asked him about how we would describe someone's right hand. I said I w=
ould say nIHwIj ghop 'the hand of my right side' and he said "I would do th=
at too," making a dissatisfied face about the alternative nIH ghopwIj 'my h=
and of the right side.'
- I asked "or are nIH and poS like tlhop and 'em, taking the pronoun rather=
than the possessive suffix?" but he felt that nIHwIj was correct.
- I asked if vogh could be used for a static locative, or was it only pa' n=
aDev and Dat that did not take -Daq. He said that he did not think he had i=
ntended the list in TKD to be exclusive, and that vogh could probably be a =
locative all by itself, but that he would have to re-read it to be sure.
ghunchu'wI' and others were there during the conversation and I invite them=
to add or correct anything they may recall differently.
- Qov
[cid:image001.png@01CE7BE0.33587910]
Robyn Stewart, Chief Pilot
K=EEsik Aerial Survey
#102 -7500 Ottawa Street
Delta, BC V4K 0B4
T: (604) 946-8830 | www.kisik.ca<http://www.kisik.ca/>
K=CESIK is a Cree word for Sky
--_000_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-=
1">
<meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Exchange Server">
<!-- converted from rtf -->
<style><!-- .EmailQuote { margin-left: 1pt; padding-left: 4pt; border-left:=
#800000 2px solid; } --></style>
</head>
<body>
<font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">
<div>I know that the a highlight of qep’a’ for many of the non-=
attendees is the possibility of new words or grammar from Marc Okrand. =
; To this I generally say, “eat what’s on your plate before you=
ask for more.” I know that I myself do not have a perfect comm=
and
of all the vocabulary and grammar we already have, and I focus my efforts t=
owards increasing my recall and precision with those words. But here is wha=
t I learned from Marc this year.<br>
<br>
He apologized unprompted for not addressing the request list from last year=
. He still has it, and it’s on his mind, just untouched.
<br>
<br>
It would appear that he is working on the current Star Trek movie, but can&=
#8217;t say anything about it under a non-disclosure agreement.<br>
<br>
There are Klingon lines that he wrote but that were not used in the previou=
s Star Trek movie and he was unsure whether the NDA would allow him to reve=
al them to us.<br>
<br>
He explained again that some of the tlhIngan Hol in Into Darkness had to be=
created to match the lip movements of someone speaking already created Kli=
ngon lines, WITH THE VIDEO PLAYED BACKWARDS!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>He said that a leak could be said to be was the reason he was called i=
n to rework the Vulcan lines for Star Trek II. Because the news of Spock=
217;s death leaked, they inserted the scene at the beginning where he ̶=
0;dies” in the Kobayashi Maru scenario. That
meant that in the next scene with Spock and Saavik, Saavik’s characte=
r had already met Kirk, so her line had to be changed. Enter Marc.
<br>
<br>
He didn’t feel he had anything new he could report this year, so just=
let the new people ask questions and retold stories we know and love.<br>
<br>
I generally like to let him relax and enjoy qep’a’ free from in=
terrogation, but at the “Ask Marc” session he indicated that I =
should ask him my questions one-on-one, so here’s the result of a fai=
rly informal hallway conversation. Note that this was a conversation
with Marc, not matlh, so not canon.<br>
<br>
- be’’etlh and neb’a’ brought their infant son to q=
ep’a’ and I suggested to Marc that describing the activities of=
an infant would be a completely “family-friendly” way to intro=
duce some of the vocabulary we lack. He was receptive to that, and al=
so mentioned
that now he has retired he isn’t quite as concerned about the need to=
be “family-friendly.”<br>
<br>
- I asked him about how we would describe someone’s right hand. =
I said I would say nIHwIj ghop ‘the hand of my right side’ and=
he said “I would do that too,” making a dissatisfied face abou=
t the alternative nIH ghopwIj ‘my hand of the right side.’
<br>
<br>
- I asked “or are nIH and poS like tlhop and ‘em, taking the pr=
onoun rather than the possessive suffix?” but he felt that nIHwIj was=
correct.<br>
<br>
- I asked if vogh could be used for a static locative, or was it only pa=
217; naDev and Dat that did not take –Daq. He said that he did not th=
ink he had intended the list in TKD to be exclusive, and that vogh could pr=
obably be a locative all by itself, but that
he would have to re-read it to be sure.<br>
<br>
ghunchu’wI’ and others were there during the conversation and I=
invite them to add or correct anything they may recall differently.<br>
<br>
- Qov</div>
<div> </div>
<div><img src=3D"cid:image001.png@01CE7BE0.33587910"><img src=3D"cid:92F973=
8876D3144687735C9F10E89654@namprd06.prod.outlook.com"> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2" color=3D"gray"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;">Robyn S=
tewart, Chief Pilot</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" color=3D"gray"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;">K=EEsik=
Aerial Survey<br>
#102 -7500 Ottawa Street</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" color=3D"gray"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;">Delta, =
BC V4K 0B4<br>
T: (604) 946-8830 | <a href=3D"http://www.kisik.ca/"><u>www.kisik.ca</u></a=
></span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" color=3D"gray"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;">K=CESIK=
is a Cree word for Sky</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
</span></font>
</body>
</html>
--_000_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_--
--_004_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_
Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg"
Content-Description: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg
Content-Disposition: inline;
filename="Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg";
creation-date="Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:44:18 GMT";
modification-date="Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:44:18 GMT"
Content-ID: <92F9738876D3144687735C9F10E89654@namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64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--_004_CO2PR06MB5396D28450F45F38703152B91750CO2PR06MB539namprd_--
--===============5336585514574307658==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
_______________________________________________
Tlhingan-hol mailing list
Tlhingan-hol@kli.org
http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
--===============5336585514574307658==--
