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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Phonemes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed May 13 10:52:56 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>, tlhIngan-Hol
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:52:31 +0000
In-Reply-To: <1F48D80B-0A5E-4D30-AB02-FD9C02E5F43C@gmail.com>
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I've been trying to thing of instances where we might see {n} follower by {=
gh}; it doesn't strike me as a strange combination, but I've never seen it.
This would be interesting because - disregardring the three-consonant clust=
er {tlH} - it's the only case I can think of where capitalizing {H} makes a=
ny difference.
{-ngH-} occurs when one applies -Ha' to a verb or adverb ending in {ng}. An=
attested example is {tungHa'}.
It also occurs when one applied -Hom or -Hey to a noun ending in {ng}. Atte=
sted examples include {vengHom} and {mangHom}.
I can find no instances of {-ngh-}. They could however be formed by adding =
-ghach to suffix-free verb ending in {n}; it would probably raise some eyeb=
rows (because -ghach does not normally appear unless preceded by a verb suf=
fix), but not ungrammatical.
The concept/action of smiling could for example be referred to as {monghach=
}, and "evasion" might be translated as {junghach}.
A more likely case would be a (spaceless) noun compound involving -ghom. A =
hunting party might be called a *chonghom*, and a group of khruns could be =
called a *Hunghom*.
If one were to disregard letter case, the latter would be identical to {Hun=
gHom}, whatever that might refer to.
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From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 16:14
To: tlhIngan-Hol
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Phonemes
So, considering that =93ng=94 happens a lot in English, but never at the be=
ginning of a syllable, I started wondering if there are combinations of Kli=
ngon sounds that never happen in Klingon (besides two vowels next to each o=
ther).
It occurs to me that while syllable boundaries may mash {tlh} and {t} next =
to each other, as in {tlhutlhtaH}, I can=92t think of a way that any Klingo=
n word could put the {t} first and follow it with {tlh}. I don=92t find any=
polysyllabic words with this combination and none of the suffixes start wi=
th {tlh}.
It would be awkward to pronounce distinctly, and the initial {t} would prob=
ably get dropped in common speech, if it happened in common speech, but I s=
uspect it simply never happens.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
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