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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] yu' ghojchoHwI
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com)
Tue May 5 10:49:49 2015
From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 10:49:02 -0400
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAFMfxP+GrKRk8vwDym0J2X3_vOg23h+nfGguutD4YDH5bWx2wg@mail.gmail.com>
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Your first question needs work, though your attempt is admirable. Know =
that you cannot use the Klingon word {nuq} as if it were the English =
word =E2=80=9Cwhich=E2=80=9D. In English, sometimes we say =E2=80=9CWhat =
ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D when we really mean =E2=80=9CWhich =
ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D, but the Klingon word {nuq} can =
never be used this way.
{nuq} only means =E2=80=9Cwhat?=E2=80=9D It replaces a noun in a =
statement to turn it into a question. The answer is the same statement =
with {nuq} replaced by the noun. The English word =E2=80=9Cwhich=E2=80=9D =
is an adjective, not a noun.
So, since it is impossible, in Klingon, to ask the question =E2=80=9CWhich=
ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D, you must instead turn the =
question into a command: =E2=80=9CChoose your flavor!=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9CIdentify the ice cream that you want!=E2=80=9D
I=E2=80=99m also a little confused by {mu=E2=80=99mey QoQ}. As stated, =
it means =E2=80=9Cmusic of the words=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cwords=E2=80=99 =
music=E2=80=9D.=20
So, with two points of confusion, I don=E2=80=99t feel like I can =
accurately guess what you were trying to say. Give it another go.
Your second question appears to have a word order issue, and a question =
issue. There=E2=80=99s a question mark at the end, but there=E2=80=99s =
no grammatical indication of a question in the sentence itself. In =
English, we can do this with inflection, like =E2=80=9CYou don=E2=80=99t =
like the blue one?=E2=80=9D Some feel that you can do this in English, =
too, but that=E2=80=99s not universally proven to be true; no canon =
suggests it.
As for the word order, as is, you are saying, =E2=80=9CExample: Nirvana =
has a guitar is good.=E2=80=9D This is a common early learning error. =
Reverse the word order to {leSpal QaQ} and you say, =E2=80=9CExample: =
Nirvana has a good guitar.=E2=80=9D
Your final question is fine, if you omit the pronoun {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99}=
at the end. =E2=80=9CCan he endure it?=E2=80=9D The {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99}=
at the end is not meaningful or grammatical.
I hope this helps. Don=E2=80=99t be discouraged by errors. This is how =
you learn. The meek never make mistakes, and they never learn. Or, as =
Edison put it, =E2=80=9CIf you can=E2=80=99t make mistakes, you can=E2=80=99=
t make anything.=E2=80=9D
My own personal motto is, =E2=80=9CTo err where no man has erred =
before!=E2=80=9D
Okay, I=E2=80=99ll admit it. I just made that up.
But I like it.
lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
> On May 5, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Maxim Sonin <maxim.sonin@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> nuq mu'mey QoQ vIDel?
>=20
> ghantoH: QaQ lespal ghaj nIrvana?
>=20
> taHlaH'a' 'e'?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Your first question needs work, though your =
attempt is admirable. Know that you cannot use the Klingon word {nuq} as =
if it were the English word =E2=80=9Cwhich=E2=80=9D. In English, =
sometimes we say =E2=80=9CWhat ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D =
when we really mean =E2=80=9CWhich ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D,=
but the Klingon word {nuq} can never be used this way.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">{nuq} only means =
=E2=80=9Cwhat?=E2=80=9D It replaces a noun in a statement to turn it =
into a question. The answer is the same statement with {nuq} replaced by =
the noun. The English word =E2=80=9Cwhich=E2=80=9D is an adjective, not =
a noun.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, =
since it is impossible, in Klingon, to ask the question =E2=80=9CWhich =
ice cream flavor do you want?=E2=80=9D, you must instead turn the =
question into a command: =E2=80=9CChoose your flavor!=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9CIdentify the ice cream that you want!=E2=80=9D</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m also a =
little confused by {mu=E2=80=99mey QoQ}. As stated, it means =E2=80=9Cmusi=
c of the words=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cwords=E2=80=99 =
music=E2=80=9D. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">So, with two points of confusion, I don=E2=80=99t feel like I =
can accurately guess what you were trying to say. Give it another =
go.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Your =
second question appears to have a word order issue, and a question =
issue. There=E2=80=99s a question mark at the end, but there=E2=80=99s =
no grammatical indication of a question in the sentence itself. In =
English, we can do this with inflection, like =E2=80=9CYou don=E2=80=99t =
like the blue one?=E2=80=9D Some feel that you can do this in English, =
too, but that=E2=80=99s not universally proven to be true; no canon =
suggests it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As =
for the word order, as is, you are saying, =E2=80=9CExample: Nirvana has =
a guitar is good.=E2=80=9D This is a common early learning error. =
Reverse the word order to {leSpal QaQ} and you say, =E2=80=9CExample: =
Nirvana has a good guitar.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Your final question is fine, if you =
omit the pronoun {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} at the end. =E2=80=9CCan he =
endure it?=E2=80=9D The {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} at the end is not =
meaningful or grammatical.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I hope this helps. Don=E2=80=99t be discouraged by errors. =
This is how you learn. The meek never make mistakes, and they never =
learn. Or, as Edison put it, =E2=80=9CIf you can=E2=80=99t make =
mistakes, you can=E2=80=99t make anything.=E2=80=9D</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My own personal motto =
is, =E2=80=9CTo err where no man has erred before!=E2=80=9D</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Okay, I=E2=80=99ll admit =
it. I just made that up.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">But I like it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">
lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh<div class=3D"">Retired =
Door Repair Guy</div>
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 5, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Maxim Sonin <<a =
href=3D"mailto:maxim.sonin@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">maxim.sonin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">nuq mu'mey QoQ vIDel?</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">ghantoH: =
QaQ lespal ghaj nIrvana?</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">taHlaH'a' 'e'?<br =
class=3D"">
</p>
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