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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] > Subject: Re: paq'batlh text for Bing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (d'Armond Speers, Ph.D.)
Thu Mar 19 14:52:19 2015
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From: "d'Armond Speers, Ph.D." <speersd@georgetown.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:52:00 +0000
To: "tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> ... check them with pojwI' ...
Be still my heart! Nice to hear this is still useful for someone. :)
qaStaHvIS DIS law' pojwI' vIqelbe'.
-- Holtej
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:39 PM Christoph Pichlmann <
christoph_pichlmann@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You DO realize that even people who are actively learning klingon might
> need a help, to look up a word, or confirm that what they cobbled together
> actually can be understood?
> If someone wants to hack badly done klingon, there are ample resources for
> that right now. There have always been. A translator like bing makes it a
> fair bit easier, sure, but it's also easier to generate interest.
> Not everyone thinks its fun to memorize (not learn) vocabulary or create a
> database of words just to have something to look it up. (It certainly isn't
> a learning experience - I don't have to actually read what I write when I'm
> just copying.)
>
> When I'm trying to create a sentence, I constantly look up words at
> Klingonska, check them with pojwI' and would love to have something that
> could give a pointer for the klingon word I'm searching for.
> Most of the time spent is trying to find synonyms that express the idea I
> have in mind but lack the precise word that exists in klingon.
>
> I don't think anyone who actually thinks about it would ever use a machine
> translation and think they're done. Even with simple things like
> german<>english I wouldn't trust them enough.
>
> Christoph
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>> ...=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:13.199999809265=
1px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">check them with pojwI' ...</span><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605=
px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-=
height:19.7999992370605px">Be still my heart!=C2=A0 Nice to hear this is st=
ill useful for someone. =C2=A0:) =C2=A0qaStaHvIS DIS law' pojwI' vI=
qelbe'. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13.19999980926=
51px;line-height:19.7999992370605px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">-- Holtej</span=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:39 PM Chri=
stoph Pichlmann <<a href=3D"mailto:christoph_pichlmann@hotmail.com">chri=
stoph_pichlmann@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">You DO realize that even people who are actively lear=
ning klingon might need a help, to look up a word, or confirm that what the=
y cobbled together actually can be understood?<br>If someone wants to hack =
badly done klingon, there are ample resources for that right now. There hav=
e always been. A translator like bing makes it a fair bit easier, sure, but=
it's also easier to generate interest.<br>Not everyone thinks its fun =
to memorize (not learn) vocabulary or create a database of words just to ha=
ve something to look it up. (It certainly isn't a learning experience -=
I don't have to actually read what I write when I'm just copying.)=
<br><br>When I'm trying to create a sentence, I constantly look up word=
s at Klingonska, check them with pojwI' and would love to have somethin=
g that could give a pointer for the klingon word I'm searching for.<br>=
Most of the time spent is trying to find synonyms that express the idea I h=
ave in mind but lack the precise word that exists in klingon.<br><br>I don&=
#39;t think anyone who actually thinks about it would ever use a machine tr=
anslation and think they're done. Even with simple things like german&l=
t;>english I wouldn't trust them enough.<br><br>Christoph<br><br></d=
iv></div>
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