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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New canon phrases (no new words,
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Fri Feb 20 17:11:57 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_M=FCller?= <esperantist@gmail.com>,
"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:11:29 +0000
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> They don't contain any new words, but we get a sentence that
> we could use when someone is sick. I don't know if Klingons
> themselves would use it. Probably not. ;)
He probably was just trying to approximate the human sentiment, but there i=
s something nice and Klingon about the phrase <bIrach'eghjaj.>
He's not saying "Hope you get well soon (by some magic)!" or "Hope the doct=
ors take care of you!"; he's saying "May you fortify yourself!", suggesting=
you should meet your illness actively and head-on.
Perhaps a Klingon would be even more straightforward, and simply say <yIrac=
h'egh jay'!> ("Sort yourself out, for frak's sake!")
> Maybe these canon sentences are useful for some.
> You could interpret it to contain three new words:
New sentences are always useful; we should be aware that MO does not necess=
arily intend for everything he writes to be regarded as exemplary, but it n=
evertheless gives us some additional insight into his thinking. It also giv=
es us a "best guess" to use until he elaborates on the subject at hand.
<bama Hol> and <mIyanma Hol> could certainly be useful, even if it's unclea=
r what the constituent words <bama> and <mIyanma> refer to (I'm assuming mI=
yanma refers to the country, but bama could be either an alternative word f=
or the country or referring to the Burmese people). Maybe you should take t=
his as a sign that you need to translate the KLI's website into Burmese ;)
I promise I'll try to read it, but I can't promise I'll get far!
________________________________
From: Andr=E9 M=FCller <esperantist@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 15:50
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] New canon phrases (no new words, or maybe there are=
)
wa'maH Hu' qoSlIj wejmaH vIlopta' 'ej ghIq Facebook-Daq muHoy' Marc Okrand.=
vaj Huch DIS ghaHvo' 'op mu'tlhegh chu' vIHev. qawHaqwIj lu'el mu'tlheghme=
yvam. 'opHu' jIropchoH 'ej Facebook-Daq Dotlh qunta'. jangmeH tlhIngan Hol =
lo' ghaH. DaH tlhIHvaD mu'tlheghmeyvam vIghItlh vIneH...
1) 2015-02-13
wejHu' qoSlIj Dalopta', qar'a'? vaj DaHjaj qamer. qoslIj yItIvqa'! [sic]
=3D You celebrated your birthday three days ago, right? So I'll surprise yo=
u today. Enjoy your birthday again!*
2) 2015-02-20
Hu'tegh! bIrach'eghjaj.
=3D Damn! Get well soon.* (lit.: May you invigorate yourself!; so that's ho=
w you say it!)
DIvI' Hol lo'be', vImughmeH mu'meywIj vIlo'. bochoHlaHbej.
wa' ben qoSlIj vIloptaHvIS, muHoy' je. bama Hol vIghojtaHmo' muHoy'meH bama=
Hol lo' Marc. tlhIngan Hol lo' je, 'ej mu'tlheghmeyDajDaq cha' mu'mey chu'=
tu'lu'! chaq wa' ben Saja'ta'. jIqawbe'...
3) 2014-02-11
bIlugh! Do'Ha' QIp qabpaqwIj. [bama/mIyanma] Hol mu'mey cha'be'. mI'mey neH=
cha'. (But I outsmarted it and could read your note anyway!)
=3D You are right. Unfortunately my Facebook is stupid. It does not show th=
e words in Burmese/Myanmar language. It shows only numbers.*
qun: bama Hol mIllogh lo' Marc, 'ach bama Hol vIghItlh jIH, bama Hol lucha'=
chu'be' De'wI'mey law'. vaj vIjatlh: "tlhIngan Hol pIqaD 'oHba' ghItlhvam'e=
' DaH 'e' luHar juppu'wI' law'. ;)". ghIq jangmeH mu'tlheghmeyvetlh ghItlh =
ghaH.
For the impatient or beginners:
In short, these are three messages by MO to me, on Facebook. The first two =
are new, a belated birthday wish and a reply to my post that I'm sick at th=
e moment. They don't contain any new words, but we get a sentence that we c=
ould use when someone is sick. I don't know if Klingons themselves would us=
e it. Probably not. ;)
The third one is from last year, I might have posted it before. A reply to =
my reply after his birthday wish in Burmese. Maybe these canon sentences ar=
e useful for some. You could interpret it to contain three new words:
bama (Hol) =3D Burma / Burmese
mIyanma (Hol) =3D Myanmar (language)
qabpaq =3D Facebook (this might just be a joke, of course)
I hope this information is useful for some of you. It was, for me.
Have a nice weekend!
- Andr=E9
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> They don't contain any new words, but we get a sentence that</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">> we could use when someone=
is sick. I don't know if Klingons</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">> themselves would use it. =
Probably not. ;)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br>
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<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">He probably was just trying to=
approximate the human sentiment, but there is something nice and Klingon a=
bout the phrase <bIrach'eghjaj.></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">He's not saying "Hope you=
get well soon (by some magic)!" or "Hope the doctors take care o=
f you!"; he's saying "May you fortify yourself!", suggesting=
you should meet your illness actively and head-on.</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Perhaps a Klingon would be eve=
n more straightforward, and simply say <yIrach'egh jay'!> ("Sort=
yourself out, for frak's sake!")</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">> Maybe these canon sentenc=
es are useful for some.</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">> You could interpret it to=
contain three new words:<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">New sentences are always usefu=
l; we should be aware that MO does not necessarily intend for everything he=
writes to be regarded as exemplary, but it nevertheless gives us some addi=
tional insight into his thinking.
It also gives us a "best guess" to use until he elaborates on th=
e subject at hand.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><bama Hol> and <mIyan=
ma Hol> could certainly be useful, even if it's unclear what the constit=
uent words <bama> and <mIyanma> refer to (I'm assuming mIyanma =
refers to the country, but bama could be either an alternative
word for the country or referring to the Burmese people). Maybe you should=
take this as a sign that you need to translate the KLI's website into Burm=
ese ;)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">I promise I'll try to read it,=
but I can't promise I'll get far!</div>
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<div>wa'maH Hu' qoSlIj wejmaH vIlopta' 'ej ghIq Facebook-Daq muHoy' Marc Ok=
rand. vaj Huch DIS ghaHvo' 'op mu'tlhegh chu' vIHev. qawHaqwIj lu'el mu'tlh=
eghmeyvam. 'opHu' jIropchoH 'ej Facebook-Daq Dotlh qunta'. jangmeH tlhIngan=
Hol lo' ghaH. DaH tlhIHvaD mu'tlheghmeyvam
vIghItlh vIneH...<br>
<br>
1) 2015-02-13<br>
wejHu' qoSlIj Dalopta', qar'a'? vaj DaHjaj qamer. qoslIj yItIvqa'! [sic]<br=
>
</div>
=3D You celebrated your birthday three days ago, right? So I'll surprise yo=
u today. Enjoy your birthday again!*<br>
<br>
2) 2015-02-20<br>
Hu'tegh! bIrach'eghjaj.<br>
=3D Damn! Get well soon.* (lit.: May you invigorate yourself!; so that's ho=
w you say it!)<br>
<br>
</div>
DIvI' Hol lo'be', vImughmeH mu'meywIj vIlo'. bochoHlaHbej.<br>
<br>
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wa' ben qoSlIj vIloptaHvIS, muHoy' je. bama Hol vIghojtaHmo' muHoy'meH bama=
Hol lo' Marc. tlhIngan Hol lo' je, 'ej mu'tlheghmeyDajDaq cha' mu'mey chu'=
tu'lu'! chaq wa' ben Saja'ta'. jIqawbe'...<br>
<br>
3) 2014-02-11<br>
<span><span class=3D""><span>bIlugh! Do'Ha' QIp qabpaqwIj. [bama/mIyanma] H=
ol mu'mey cha'be'. mI'mey neH cha'. (But I outsmarted it and could read you=
r note anyway!)<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>=3D You are right. Unfortunately my Facebook i=
s stupid. It does not show the words in Burmese/Myanmar language. It shows =
only numbers.*<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>qun: bama Hol mIllogh lo' Marc, 'ach bama Hol =
vIghItlh jIH, bama Hol lucha'chu'be' De'wI'mey law'. vaj vIjatlh: "</s=
pan></span></span><span><span class=3D""><span><span><span class=3D""><span=
>tlhIngan Hol pIqaD 'oHba' ghItlhvam'e' DaH
'e' luHar juppu'wI' law'. ;)</span></span></span>". ghIq jangmeH mu't=
lheghmeyvetlh ghItlh ghaH.<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span class=3D""><span>For the impatient or beginners:<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>In short, these are three messages by MO to me=
, on Facebook. The first two are new, a belated birthday wish and a reply t=
o my post that I'm sick at the moment. They don't contain any new words, bu=
t we get a sentence that we could
use when someone is sick. I don't know if Klingons themselves would use it=
. Probably not. ;)<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>The third one is from last year, I might have =
posted it before. A reply to my reply after his birthday wish in Burmese. M=
aybe these canon sentences are useful for some. You could interpret it to c=
ontain three new words:<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span><br>
bama (Hol) =3D Burma / Burmese<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>mIyanma (Hol) =3D Myanmar (language)<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>qabpaq =3D Facebook (this might just be a joke=
, of course)<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>I hope this information is useful for some of =
you. It was, for me.
<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>Have a nice weekend!<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<span><span class=3D""><span>- Andr=E9<br>
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