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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] [Phonetics] -ew', -Iw', -Iy'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com)
Fri Feb 13 11:21:33 2015
From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:20:14 -0500
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Thanks. You are right. In fact, {y} doesn't sound like {I}. The latter =
is like the American short "i", as in "hit" while the former is like the =
second half of the sound Americans make when pronouncing the letter "e", =
a sound that doesn't exist as a vowel in Klingon. I just wasn't =
thinking.
This is why {Iy} sounds like the impure (normal) American "E" and {ey} =
sounds like the impure (normal) American "A".=20
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
> On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:27 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
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> =20
> > lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh jatlh,
> > Effectively, {w} and {y} are {u} and {I} used as consonants, =
creating the only shift from one
> > vowel sound to another in Klingon without a consonant between them. =
Since Klingon lacks
> > the Japanese =93long=94 vowel idea, you can=92t have {uw} or {Iy}. =
I=92m not sure why {ow} is not
> > allowed, unless Okrand is making fun of the impure long =93o=94 =
sound that English speakers
> > tend to use.
> Actually {y} used in diphthongs represents /i/ doesn't it? Thus {Iy} =
is allowed, as attested by the words, {lIy}, {mIy}, {wIy}, and =
{SonchIy}.
> =20
> janSIy
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks. You are right. In fact, {y} doesn't =
sound like {I}. The latter is like the American short "i", as in "hit" =
while the former is like the second half of the sound Americans make =
when pronouncing the letter "e", a sound that doesn't exist as a vowel =
in Klingon. I just wasn't thinking.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is why {Iy} sounds like the impure =
(normal) American "E" and {ey} sounds like the impure (normal) American =
"A". </div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh<div class=3D"">Retired Door Repair =
Guy</div>
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:27 PM, David Holt <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" class=3D"">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> <br class=3D""><div class=3D"">> lojmIt tI=92wI=92 =
nuv =91utlh jatlh,<br class=3D"">> Effectively, {w} and {y} are {u} =
and {I} used as consonants, creating the only shift from one</div><div =
class=3D"">> vowel sound to another in Klingon without a =
consonant between them. Since Klingon lacks</div><div =
class=3D"">> the Japanese =93long=94 vowel idea, you can=92t =
have {uw} or {Iy}. I=92m not sure why {ow} is not</div><div =
class=3D"">> allowed, unless Okrand is making fun of the impure =
long =93o=94 sound that English speakers</div><div =
class=3D"">> tend to use.<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Actually {y} used in diphthongs represents /i/ =
doesn't it? Thus {Iy} is allowed, as attested by the words, {lIy}, =
{mIy}, {wIy}, and {SonchIy}.</div><div class=3D""> </div><div =
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