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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginners corner
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Thu Jan 29 08:03:14 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Maxim Sonin <maxim.sonin@gmail.com>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:02:25 +0000
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I'm afraid that wouldn't make much sensee to me.
Consider what role you intend for jIH to have in this sentence. Is it as th=
e object of the sentence? In that case, you need to make sure you have the =
right prefix and suffix.
In this case, because both the subject and the object are {jIH}, the correc=
t choice would be *jIHem'egh* ("I proud myself").
However, I believe it's quite widely accepted that {Hem} does not take an o=
bject. To say "I'm proud of myself.", try to ask yourself "What does 'of' m=
ean in this case?"
English uses the same preposition for a lot of different purposes. "of" can=
meaning "belonging to", "relating to", "coming from", "due to", "because o=
f", and a great many other things.
I think the "of" in this case could be interpreted as "due to" or "because =
of". So, perhaps:
* {jIHmo' jIHem.}
"I am proud because of me."
That may be a bit unspecific, though. Consider:
* {chavwIjmo' jIHem.}
"I am proud because of my achievement."
* {jIQapta'mo' jIHem.}
"I am proud because I have succeeded."
Also, consider using -moH ("cause"):
* {jIHem'eghmoH.}
"I make myself proud."
* {jIHem'eghmoHta'.}
"I've (intentionally and successfully) made myself proud."
* {muHemmoH chavmeywIj.}
"My achievements make me proud."
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From: Maxim Sonin [maxim.sonin@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 13:13
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginners corner
Another beginners question
Can you say: "jIH jIHem" as "I am proud of myself"
For example: I passed a hard exam. I am proud of myself.
Would this, if grammatically correct, be considered ignorant?
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0pt">I'm afraid that wouldn't make much sensee to me.<br>
<br>
Consider what role you intend for jIH to have in this sentence. Is it as th=
e object of the sentence? In that case, you need to make sure you have the =
right prefix and suffix.<br>
In this case, because both the subject and the object are {jIH}, the correc=
t choice would be *jIHem'egh* ("I proud myself").<br>
<br>
However, I believe it's quite widely accepted that {Hem} does not take an o=
bject. To say "I'm proud of myself.", try to ask yourself "W=
hat does 'of' mean in this case?"<br>
English uses the same preposition for a lot of different purposes. "of=
" can meaning "belonging to", "relating to", "=
;coming from", "due to", "because of", and a great=
many other things.<br>
<br>
I think the "of" in this case could be interpreted as "due t=
o" or "because of". So, perhaps:<br>
<br>
* {jIHmo' jIHem.}<br>
"I am proud because of me."<br>
<br>
That may be a bit unspecific, though. Consider:<br>
<br>
* {chavwIjmo' jIHem.}<br>
"I am proud because of my achievement."<br>
<br>
* {jIQapta'mo' jIHem.}<br>
"I am proud because I have succeeded."<br>
<br>
Also, consider using -moH ("cause"):<br>
<br>
* {jIHem'eghmoH.}<br>
"I make myself proud."<br>
<br>
* {jIHem'eghmoHta'.}<br>
"I've (intentionally and successfully) made myself proud."<br>
<br>
* {muHemmoH chavmeywIj.}<br>
"My achievements make me proud."<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2015 13:13<br>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Another beginners question</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Can you say: "jIH jIHem" as "I am proud of my=
self"</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">For example: I passed a hard exam. I am proud of myself.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Would this, if grammatically correct, be considered ignorant=
?<br>
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