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[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon dialogue in STID (was: Klingon Word of the
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Sun Jan 11 14:14:36 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 19:14:14 +0000
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The way you tell it is correct, but there are some details to be added. Fro=
m memory:
On set, all the Klingon-speaking actors received coaching from Britton Watk=
ins.
When recording the new lines, Marc worked with Saldana and a number of back=
ground voice actors, but due to a scheduling conflict he wasn't able to wor=
k with the Klingon commander (Sean Blakemore), who I believe just had Okran=
d's recorded voice to work with.
Here is one of the earlier cuts:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ
Note that there is already some rather significant mismatch between the spo=
ken dialogue and the subtitles.
Also, pay special attention to the scene at around 0:38, especially at the =
end when he leans in from the right of the screen to the center.
He says something like =ABtlhInganna' naQ pu''a' SoH.=BB (which I'm sure is=
a great compliment)
Now, compare the final cut, at around 0:27:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ
At the beginning, you can see him lean out from the center of the screen an=
d to the right. I believe this is that scene, played backwards.
As a bonus, here's another deleted scene with Klingon dialogue for us to fi=
gure out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DXSsd78vllng
ghItlhta' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
But here at KLI, we get these stories that nobody else gets. Likely, this l=
ittle story of a scene shot in reverse won=92t make it into the =93Special =
Features=94 of the DVD for the movie. And if it did and one of us bought it=
, the rest of us would hear the story.
Indeed! We have our own written history of Star Trek shared between us, see=
n through the eyes of a guy who's been working behind the scenes for over 3=
0 years now, together with the investigative potential of a small but intre=
pid army of nitpic... of connoisseurs!
11 jan 2015 kl. 18:25 skrev Lieven <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>=
>:
Am 11.01.2015 um 17:45 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
As I've understood it, not only did they change the English
line after they'd recorded the Klingon line, they also played
this particular shot in reverse (because they thought it
looked better), so Okrand had to fit the new line to the
lip movements of a Klingon talking backwards.
I'm not sure if that's correct, or I did misunderstand. AFAIK, the one line=
spoken by the klingon has not been changed, at least Okrand told me he did=
not work with him during post-production:
"I did not work with that one Klingon who takes of his helmet [Sean Blakemo=
re], they did that on their own. As a result, let's say he comes from a dif=
ferent part of the Klingon planet."
(from http://www.qephom.de/e/okrand_about_into_darkness.html)
--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://wiki.qephom.de/En/ST12
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<div><span>The way you tell it is correct, but there are some details to be=
added. From memory:</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>On set, all the Klingon-speaking actors received coaching from Britto=
n Watkins.</span><br>
<span>When recording the new lines, Marc worked with Saldana and a number o=
f background voice actors, but due to a scheduling conflict he wasn't able =
to work with the Klingon commander (Sean Blakemore), who I believe just had=
Okrand's recorded voice to work
with.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Here is one of the earlier cuts:</span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ">http://youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Note that there is already some rather significant mismatch between t=
he spoken dialogue and the subtitles.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Also, pay special attention to the scene at around 0:38, especially a=
t the end when he leans in from the right of the screen to the center.</spa=
n><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>He says something like =ABtlhInganna' naQ pu''a' SoH.=BB (which I'm s=
ure is a great compliment)</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Now, compare the final cut, at around 0:27:</span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ">http://youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3DK0cFLb-JmaQ</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>At the beginning, you can see him lean out from the center of the scr=
een and to the right. I believe this is that scene, played backwards.</span=
><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>As a bonus, here's another deleted scene with Klingon dialogue for us=
to figure out:</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DXSsd78vllng">http://youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3DXSsd78vllng</a></span></div>
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</div>
<div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255=
, 255, 0);">ghItlhta' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:<br>
<br>
</span></font></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background=
-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But here at KLI, we get these stories that=
nobody else gets. Likely, this little story of a scene shot in reverse won=
=92t make it into the =93Special Features=94
of the DVD for the movie. And if it did and one of us bought it, the rest =
of us would hear the story.</span></font></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Indeed! We have our own written history of Star Trek shared between us, see=
n through the eyes of a guy who's been working behind the scenes for over 3=
0 years now, together with the investigative potential of a small but intre=
pid army of nitpic... of connoisseurs!<br>
<span></span><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>11 jan 2015 kl. 18:25 skrev Lieven <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>>:</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Am 11.01.2015 um 17:45 schrieb Felix Malmen=
beck:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>As I've understood it, not only did they ch=
ange the English</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>line after they'd recorded the Klingon line=
, they also played</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>this particular shot in reverse (because th=
ey thought it</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>looked better), so Okrand had to fit the ne=
w line to the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>lip movements of a Klingon talking backward=
s.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I'm not sure if that's correct, or I did mi=
sunderstand. AFAIK, the one line spoken by the klingon has not been changed=
, at least Okrand told me he did not work with him during post-production:<=
/span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>"I did not work with that one Klingon =
who takes of his helmet [Sean Blakemore], they did that on their own. As a =
result, let's say he comes from a different part of the Klingon planet.&quo=
t;</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>(from <a href=3D"http://www.qephom.de/e/okr=
and_about_into_darkness.html">
http://www.qephom.de/e/okrand_about_into_darkness.html</a>)</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-- </span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Lieven L. Litaer</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>aka Quvar valer 'utlh</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingont=
eacher">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><a href=3D"http://wiki.qephom.de/En/ST12">h=
ttp://wiki.qephom.de/En/ST12</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
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