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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mathematics terminology
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Wilson)
Wed Jan 7 16:21:06 2015
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From: Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:20:50 -0500
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ese=20make=20perfect=20sense=20to=20me=20and=20would=20be=20understood=20by=20an=
yone=20with=20basic=20Klingon=20knowledge.=20Perhaps=20early=20Klingons=20only=20=
included=20whole=20(ie.=20counting)=20numbers=20in=20the=20set=20of=20{toghmeH=20=
mI'},=20but=20as=20their=20knowledge=20grew,=20they=20added=20the=20negative=20v=
ersions.=20Personally,=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20problem=20with=20{toghmeH=20mI'}=
=20referring=20to=20any=20integer,=20positive=20or=20negative.=20As=20to=20"nega=
tive",=20I=20like=20{yoy},=20but=20also=20consider=20{DoH}=20in=20that=20a=20neg=
ative=20number=20could=20be=20thought=20to=20be=20"backed=20away"=20from=20zero.=
=20Another=20concept=20might=20be=20that=20of=20"mirroring"=20the=20positive=20n=
umber.=0AAs=20for=20{juvmeH=20mI'},=20things=20are=20rarely=20"measured"=20in=20=
integers,=20so=20using=20this=20for=20real=20numbers=20seems=20logical.=20Ration=
al=20vs=20irrational=20numbers=20would=20be=20subsets=20of=20the=20real=20number=
s.=20I=20like=20your=20idea=20of=20using=20"precision=20of=20measurement"=20to=20=
differentiate=20these.=20I=20could=20see=20{mI'=20pup}=20used=20for=20rational=20=
numbers,=20ie.=20those=20that=20can=20be=20measured=20with=20precision.=0AIf=20K=
lingon=20scientists=20recognize=20"imaginary"=20numbers=20as=20we=20do,=20ie.=20=
as=20multiples=20of=20the=20square=20root=20of=20-1,=20then=20perhaps=20a=20term=
=20like=20{mI'=20DuHbe'}=20or=20{mI'=20qItbe'}=20could=20be=20applied,=20since=20=
these=20numbers=20would=20clearly=20seem=20impossible=20in=20light=20of=20precis=
ion=20of=20measurement.=0AI=20really=20hope=20that=20Maltz,=20as=20a=20science=20=
officer,=20can=20shed=20some=20light=20on=20these=20technicalities.=20I=20haven'=
t=20even=20begun=20to=20consider=20terms=20in=20my=20field=20-=20chemistry=20&=20=
chemical=20engineering.=0AgheyIl=0A=0A=0A=20=0A
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