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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nga'chuq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Jan 5 16:14:18 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:13:43 +0000
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I think you're right about tay', but not tlhej. With tlhej, the subject acc=
ompanies the object. It's described in some detail in HolQeD 2:4:
http://klingonska.org/canon/1993-12-holqed-02-4.txt
Perhaps you are confusing it with ghom, which has been shown to work both w=
ays?
tachDaq maghom. [TKD]
wo' San luwuqmeH pa' ghom tlhIngan yejquv DevwI'pu'. [SkyBox 25]
rut yIHmey ghom Hoch. [TKW]
bInajtaHvIS, qeylIS Daghomjaj. [PK]
tlhIngan 'avwI' lughom. [PK]
5 jan 2015 kl. 21:11 skrev Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:fiat_kno=
x@yahoo.co.uk>>:
So if Maltz confirmed that all the involved parties in a sentence with nga'=
chuq are in the subject, then that makes nga'chuq of a similar type to tlhe=
j:
wa'Hu' ram nga'chuqta' 'oSwI' loDnalDaj je
should have the same structure as
reH tlhej SuvwI'vetlh Seng je
and
reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je
if I read that aright.
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<div>I think you're right about tay', but not tlhej. With tlhej, the subjec=
t accompanies the object. It's described in some detail in HolQeD 2:4:</div=
>
<div><a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/canon/1993-12-holqed-02-4.txt">http:/=
/klingonska.org/canon/1993-12-holqed-02-4.txt</a></div>
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<div>Perhaps you are confusing it with ghom, which has been shown to work b=
oth ways?</div>
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<div>tachDaq maghom. [TKD]</div>
<div>wo' San luwuqmeH pa' ghom tlhIngan yejquv DevwI'pu'. [SkyBox 25]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>rut yIHmey ghom Hoch. [TKW]</div>
<div>bInajtaHvIS, qeylIS Daghomjaj. [PK]</div>
<div>tlhIngan 'avwI' lughom. [PK]</div>
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<div><br>
5 jan 2015 kl. 21:11 skrev Fiat Knox <<a href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.=
co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>>:<br>
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ourier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17256"><span id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_1_1420487657371_17270">So if Maltz confirmed that all the involved par=
ties in a sentence with
<b>nga'chuq</b> are in the subject, then that makes <b>nga'chuq</b> of a si=
milar type to
<b>tlhej</b>:</span></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17507" dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17270"></span></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17509" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><span style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17270"><b =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17508">wa'Hu' ram nga'chuqta' 'oSwI' loDna=
lDaj je</b><br style=3D"" class=3D"">
</span></div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17255"> </=
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should have the same structure as<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17270"></span></div=
>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17510" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_1_1420487657371_17270"><br>
</span></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17512" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17511"><span style=3D"" class=3D"" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17270">reH tlhej SuvwI'vetlh Seng je</span=
></b></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17513" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><br>
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17751" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr">and<br>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17750" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><br>
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17512" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><b style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17511"><span =
style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17270">reH tay' ghot=
tuqDaj je</span></b></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1420487657371_17513" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"l=
tr"><br style=3D"" class=3D"">
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if I read that aright.<br style=3D"" class=3D"">
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