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Re: comment to RH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher J. Booth)
Thu Oct 31 02:30:44 1996
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 01:55:20 -0500
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From: cbooth@onyx.interactive.net (Christopher J. Booth)
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I would like to put in my $.02: I am still in the frustrating position of
not being able to dial out and PPP with 4.0 (I could dial out using
minicom, quit it and then run ppp -d -detach /dev/cua2 & with 3.0.3 and
have not managed to get even that to work with 4.0). But having said that,
I had no trouble whatsoever with the install of 4.0, and I think it is the
best thing around. The Red Hat folks have done superb work. I am still
frustrated, but Red Hat 4.0 deserves raves as far as I am concerned. I am
constantly amazed by it.
[My latest theory as to my inability to dial out is that I have a
SupraExpress 288. Alas. I read in a letter a couple of days ago that there
is a patch for SupraExpress 288 modems at Red Hat, but to get it, i would
have to ftp out....Sigh....]
>Your message on: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:31:24 EST
>>It seems to me from reading this list, that, despite all good efforts
>>and good intentions, RH 4.0 sets a hard road to mount. I am now running
>>3.0.3 very stably and very happily. I will probably wait (as others have
>>indicated) a bit more before I try to move up to 4.0.
>
>Well, it's the squeeky wheel that gets the grease...and makes
>the loudest noise.
>
>There are lots of people running 4.0 just fine. As we've said
>before, most of the install problems were FTP install related and
>have been solved.
>
>There have also been a few folks who have had some problems getting
>the updates to work, but I assure you, on the whole the upgrades
>have worked fine. They've been downloaded a few thousand times each
>with only a few complaints due to problems here.
>
>If you happily run 3.0.3 and want to wait for something that has
>all the updates incorporated, fine.
>
>>So, it is a bit unfortunate that
>> 1. the old kernel upgrade info for putting 2.0.x on 3.0.3 has
>> disappeared from the RH web site.
>
>Sorry, but it caused more confusion than anything.
>
>> 2. The 3.0.3 manual seems no longer available. (If it is available, I
>> haven't been able to find it.)
>
>The 3.0.3 manual was never available. There was an installation
>HOWTO, the RedHat-HOWTO, which is still available on the FTP site.
>
>>Once again, I suggest that there be a somewhat delayed upgrade strategy
>>in which both 3.0.3 and 4.0 are available, including the manuals. Let
>>both be for sale, and let new purchasers decide what they want.
>
>We just can't do that. We thought it would be enough to have a
>six week beta, but we were wrong. Many of the bugs listed on the
>errata (granted, not many critical bugs, but bugs nonetheless)
>existed in Rembrandt and were not found. We are currently
>re-evaluating our beta system for that reason.
>
>>You could even say that you 'no longer provide support for 3.0.3 and
>>users work at their own risk on their own resources' or some such
>>thing.
>
>Sorry, but we aleady say that for the archive sets, yet we get
>at least ten inquiries a day from archive owners asking "how
>do I get my support?" Besides, would you *really* rather us take
>time to make 3.0.3 available again, or would you rather us work
>to fix bugs in 4.0 so we can get a 4.1 out the door?
>
>Keep in mind you'd want all those 3.0.3 security updates worked
>back in and the like which would mean more testing and on and on...
>
>Sorry, I will not even debate this further. Please don't ask
>us to do that.
>
>4.0 is a stable system that does install fine in most cases
>from CD-ROM (at least as easily as 3.0.3). Those "customers"
>should be happy. It had bugs in the FTP install which we
>regret, but have likely fixed. It has some updates that are
>required, but we've made that as painless as we can as well.
>
>We're doing all we can, but making 3.0.3 available again
>just isn't much of an option.
>
>
>--Donnie
>
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