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Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JohnE37179@aol.com)
Mon Nov 5 15:41:44 2001

From: JohnE37179@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:01:13 EST
To: lynn.wheeler@firstdata.com, JohnE37179@aol.com
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	Jason.Gruber@btinternet.com, rick_smith@securecomputing.com,
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In a message dated 11/5/01 10:55:39 AM, lynn.wheeler@firstdata.com writes:

<< in the account-based financial transaction ... the requestor is the
card-holder/consumer and the authorization or service entity is the
card-holder's financial institution. >>

I think you have nailed it on the head. When authentication is viewed as the 
"first link" in the chain instead of identification. The problem with all 
authentication technologies in use today from biometrics to PKI to digital 
certs, all finesse the identification process and push it off to some 
"trusted" third party...all without clearly defining what that third party 
must bring to the table.

John



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