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Re: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Barry W)
Wed Jan 31 09:05:11 2001
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:30:49 +0100
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From: Barry W <barry@xs4all.nl>
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At 28-01-01 00:52, John Gilmore wrote:
>[I haven't seen the original documents, so consider this only a rumor
> at this point. Anyone have more info? -- John]
>
>Translation of report by Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad on 20 January
>
>Source: NRC Handelsblad, Rotterdam, in Dutch 20 Jan 01 p 2
Yes, the hype is on here in Holland.
There are a few official links :
Interesting link collection that make it 'most likely' Echelon systems exist.
http://www.mindef.nl/nieuws/media/content/190101_bijlage.html
(some dutch, but mostly english)
http://www.mindef.nl/nieuws/media/content/190101_notitie.html
http://www.minaz.nl/data/979913257.pdf
There was a hearing and invited where people like Duncan Campbell, Jean Marc Dinant, Jelle van Buren and Maurice Wesseling.
http://www.parlement.nl/ver/vci/subframe/b78956.htm
The outcome was shokking for the parlement.
To quote some members : "This is shokking" , "We did not know it was this bad", "We are so helpless against all this" etc etc.
Greetings,
Barry.
