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Re: UK intelligence agencies want 7 years of records of all phone calls, emails and internet connections
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Clive D.W. Feather)
Mon Dec 4 08:14:19 2000
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:58:27 +0000
From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@demon.net>
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Caspar Bowden said:
> <<..Britain's intelligence services are seeking powers to seize all records
> of telephone calls, emails and internet connections made by every person
> living in this country. A document circulated to Home Office officials and
> obtained by The Observer reveals that MI5, MI6 and the police are demanding
> new legislation to log every phone call made in this country and store the
> information for seven years at a vast government-run 'data warehouse', a
> super computer that will hold the information...>>
>
> The document referred to in the Observer front page story today appears to
> have been posted on the US website "Cryptome".
>
> ==> http://cryptome.org/ncis-carnivore.htm
Calling this "NCIS carnivore" is misleading. It's concerned with
transaction logs (who logged in when, web site logs, the sort of thing
covered as "communications data" in RIP). Nothing to do with the contents
of phone calls or email.
I've been aware of these proposals for some time. Basically, the police
*have* the power to obtain this data *where the CSP has retained it*. What
this paper wants is to retain all the data for the length of time that it
could be useful, and for ease of access (under lawful authority, of course)
consolidate it in a single database.
It is pointed out that defence lawyers have use for such data as well.
[I disagree strongly with the proposals, both on civil liberties grounds
and because I think maintaining a "clean" database will be impractical.]
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