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Re: depleting the random number generator -- repeated state

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eugene Leitl)
Sat Jul 31 17:06:33 1999

From: Eugene Leitl <eugene.leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
To: David Honig <honig@sprynet.com>
Cc: Eugene Leitl <Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>,
        "Enzo Michelangeli" <em@who.net>, "bram" <bram@gawth.com>,
        <cryptography@c2.net>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990730094112.008023f0@pop.sprynet.com>

David Honig writes:

 > One of the many uses of nitric acid.  Ie, take random samples

I thought this is mostly done by removing the bulk of the package
polymer by grinding, and then subjecting the rest of it to a plasma
etch.

I haven't put a processed wafer into nitric acid yet, but I could
imagine it does horrible things to small structures.

 > apart and look at them.  There are commercial places that
 > will do the lab work for you.

Since this involved manual work and heavy apparatus (UHV plasma etch
chamber, EM, etc.) as well as know-how (finding a structure and
guessing what it does) it won't be exactly cheap.


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