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Re: ID "theft" -- so what?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins)
Wed Jul 13 21:59:21 2005

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:23:45 -0400
From: Derek Atkins <warlord@MIT.EDU>
To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
Cc: John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>, cryptography@metzdowd.com
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Quoting "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>:


> So, rephrasing, the problem is not that secret information isn't a
> fine way to establish trust -- it is the pretense that SSNs, your
> mom's birth name or even credit card numbers can be kept secret.
>
> > Identifying information cannot be kept secret.
> 
> I'd amend that to "things like your name, your SSN or your account
> numbers cannot be kept secret..."

I think it's worse than that -- in reality it is any static piece of
information.  It doesn't matter WHAT that piece of information is.  You really
want a challenge-response system to prove both knowledge and liveness of the
information.
 
-derek

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       Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
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