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Re: encrypted tapes (was Re: Papers about "Algorithm hiding" ?)

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Charles M. Hannum)
Thu Jun 9 18:30:19 2005

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From: "Charles M. Hannum" <root@ihack.net>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:37:22 +0000
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	cryptography@metzdowd.com, adam@homeport.org
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On Thursday 09 June 2005 16:41, you wrote:
> From: "Charles M. Hannum" <root@ihack.net>
>
> > I can name at least one obvious case where "sensitive" data -- namely
> > credit card numbers -- is in fact something you want to search on: credit
> > card billing companies like CCbill and iBill.  Without the ability to
> > search by CC#, customers are pretty screwed.
>
> Is there a good reason for not searching by the hash of a CC# ?

Are you joking?

If we assume that the last 4 digits have been exposed somewhere -- and they 
usually are -- then this gives you at most 38 bits -- i.e. 2^38 hashes to 
test -- to search (even a couple less if you know a priori which *brand* of 
card it is).  How long do you suppose this would take?

(Admittedly, it's pretty sketchy even if you have to search the whole CC# 
space -- but this is why you need to prevent the data being accessed in any 
form!)

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