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Re: Digital signatures have a big problem with meaning

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ben Laurie)
Tue Jun 7 18:48:30 2005

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Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:37:08 +0100
From: Ben Laurie <ben@algroup.co.uk>
To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Cc: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>, dan@geer.org,
	rsalz@datapower.com, cryptography@metzdowd.com
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> Peter Gutmann wrote:
> 
>> That cuts both ways though.  Since so many systems *do* screw with 
>> data (in
>> insignificant ways, e.g. stripping trailing blanks), anyone who does 
>> massage
>> data in such a way that any trivial change will be detected is going 
>> to be
>> inundated with false positives.  Just ask any OpenPGP implementor about
>> handling text canonicalisation.
> 
> 
> this was one of the big issues in the asn.1 encoding vis-a-vis xml 
> encoding wars.
> 
> asn.1 encoding provided deterministic encoding for signed material, 

You mean it _would_ have done if anyone could implement it correctly. 
Sadly, experience shows that no-one can.

Cheers,

Ben.

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