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Re: Gutmann Soundwave Therapy
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric Rescorla)
Fri Feb 1 11:19:02 2008
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:41:48 -0800
From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com>
To: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>
Cc: Cryptography <cryptography@metzdowd.com>
In-Reply-To: <47A2DB5B.4050108@echeque.com>
At Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:42:03 +1000,
James A. Donald wrote:
>
> Guus Sliepen wrote:
> > Peter's write-up was the reason I subscribed to this cryptography
> > mailing list. After a while the anger/hurt feelings I had disappeared.
> > I knew then that Peter was right in his arguments. Nowadays I can look
> > at Peter's write-up more objectively and I can see that it is not as
> > ad-hominem as it felt back then, although the whole soundwave paragraph
> > still sounds very childish ;)
> >
> > When tinc 2.0 will ever come out (unfortunately I don't have a lot of
> > time to work on it these days), it will probably use the GnuTLS library
> > and authenticate and connect daemons with TLS. For performance reasons,
> > you want to tunnel network packets via UDP instead of TCP, so hopefully
> > there is a working DTLS implementation as well then.
>
> I have been considering the problem of encrypted channels over UDP or
> IP. TLS will not work for this, since it assumes and provides a
> reliable, and therefore non timely channel, whereas what one wishes to
> provide is a channel where timeliness may be required at the expense of
> reliability.
DTLS: RFC 4347.
-Ekr
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