[23849] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] APO House rule
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rachel)
Thu Aug 28 08:14:29 2003
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:12:53 -0700
Reply-To: Rachel <iceangel99@yahoo.com>
From: Rachel <iceangel99@yahoo.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <006a01c36d13$440f1070$6801a8c0@HOMELESS>
--0-1999698548-1062072773=:46034
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
One of the areas of service, however, is service to the fraternity...so upkeep on a house would fall under that category.
I too went in a town with the brothel rule, but it was 8 or more women--which was one of the reasons why my school did not have sorority houses (sororities had suites in the dorms, but fraternities still had houses.) That law actually exists at some older universities--it was not really enforced that well at mine, as I knew a few girls who lived in a house with 9 others, but it still exists for some reason.
The coed living situation is also a subject. Many undergraduates' parents still have some control over their living situation because they help pay tuition/room/board. My parents (and I am sure there are others out there) are old fashioned and would have freaked out about the idea of me living in a "Fraternity House" with my "Coed Fraternity" where, unlike in the coed dorm I lived in, there is really nobody to enforce rules of visiting hours, quiet hours, etc.
Lastly, has anyone ever seen what happens in many greek organizations (sororities namely) in which members all live together? They live together, eat together, party together, and so on. By the end of the school year, they are so sick of each other and at each others throats (this is namely sororities I am talking about--men tend to be a little more relaxed.) Living together and doing service projects, social events, etc together would probably add some unneeded tension to the chapter's dynamics.
Rachel Kuhn
Zeta Delta alum
Section 89 staff
Dan Kreifus <dkreifus@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just a thought to put out there....
Has anyone thought about the purpose of the rule against having an APO house?
I understand it's to prevent parties in the stereotypical nature of Greeks. But lets face facts,
Members of APO will end up sharing an apt, house, or dorm together. This in turn becomes the "APO House".
On my campus, we don't have an office, because campus activites doesn't issue offices to individual greek organizations.
There are a few benifits to allowing a APO house, such as a place hold meetings, ceremonies, and rush activites. It's freedom from limits such as room availability, or time. It could also provide storage APO materials that aren't easy to transport.
Now, I can see where problems can come up. It can be made illegal to raise or have dues go into renting the APO House. (Obviously won't apply to chapters whose schools provide housing). Questions can also be raised about the co-ed factor. We are all over 18 (or will be shortly.) Most colleges have co-ed dorms, and provided we don't have males and females in the same room, it shouldn't be a problem.
This is just a idea for thought, something to discuss, or consider for next nationals....
In LFS,
Dan
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
--0-1999698548-1062072773=:46034
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
<DIV>One of the areas of service, however, is service to the fraternity...so upkeep on a house would fall under that category.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I too went in a town with the brothel rule, but it was 8 or more women--which was one of the reasons why my school did not have sorority houses (sororities had suites in the dorms, but fraternities still had houses.) That law actually exists at some older universities--it was not really enforced that well at mine, as I knew a few girls who lived in a house with 9 others, but it still exists for some reason.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The coed living situation is also a subject. Many undergraduates' parents still have some control over their living situation because they help pay tuition/room/board. My parents (and I am sure there are others out there) are old fashioned and would have freaked out about the idea of me living in a "Fraternity House" with my "Coed Fraternity" where, unlike in the coed dorm I lived in, there is really nobody to enforce rules of visiting hours, quiet hours, etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lastly, has anyone ever seen what happens in many greek organizations (sororities namely) in which members all live together? They live together, eat together, party together, and so on. By the end of the school year, they are so sick of each other and at each others throats (this is namely sororities I am talking about--men tend to be a little more relaxed.) Living together and doing service projects, social events, etc together would probably add some unneeded tension to the chapter's dynamics.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rachel Kuhn</DIV>
<DIV>Zeta Delta alum</DIV>
<DIV>Section 89 staff</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Dan Kreifus <dkreifus@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a thought to put out there....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone thought about the purpose of the rule against having an APO house?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand it's to prevent parties in the stereotypical nature of Greeks. But lets face facts,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Members of APO will end up sharing an apt, house, or dorm together. This in turn becomes the "APO House"</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On my campus, we don't have an office, because campus activites doesn't issue offices to individual greek organizations. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are a few benifits to allowing a APO house, such as a</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> place hold meetings, ceremonies, and rush activites. It's freedom from limits such as room availability, or time. It could also provide s</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>torage APO materials that aren't easy to transport. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, I can see where problems can come up. It can be made illegal to raise or have dues go into renting the APO House. (Obviously won't apply to chapters whose schools provide housing). Questions can also be raised about the co-ed factor. We are all over 18 (or will be shortly.) Most colleges have co-ed dorms, and provided we don't have males and females in the same room, it shouldn't be a problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is just a idea for thought, something to discuss, or consider for next nationals....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In LFS,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dan</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>
Do you Yahoo!?<br>
<a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=10469/*http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com">Yahoo! SiteBuilder</a> - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
--0-1999698548-1062072773=:46034--
