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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song Argument Reflections...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rogue Unknown)
Tue Jan 21 20:24:03 2003
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:23:17 -0500
Reply-To: Rogue Unknown <aporogue@hotmail.com>
From: Rogue Unknown <aporogue@hotmail.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
LOL
>From: Matt Cross <mrforklift@cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mrforklift@cfl.rr.com
>To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song Argument Reflections...
>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:43:06 -0500
>
>Technically, Star Trek learned it from Charles Dickens' "A Tale of Two
>Cities"....
>
>:-)
>
>Matt Cross
>Section 74 Chair -- Alpha Phi Omega
>(888) 270-0074
>mailto:section.74.chair@apo.org
>http://www.section74.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Jeremy Licata
>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:02 PM
>To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song Argument Reflections...
>
>
>I wholeheartedly agree with the concept of respecting
>other Brother's beliefs, speaking out for what we
>believe and even speaking out about what makes us uncomfortable; HOWEVER I
>don't believe that loyalty implies anything about keeping another from
>feeling uncomfortable.
>
>True to self implies that we should be comfortable
>enough with our own beliefs that we don't have to bend
>them for anybody, thus remaining true to our own
>personality, character and goals in this life.
>
>What the verse seems to imply, perhaps on a more
>subtle level, is the need to agree to disagree. We can
>be true to each Brother and be true to the community
>of humanity, without sacrificing ourselves in the
>process.
>
>And I certainly don't believe that the system should
>be changed because one person is uncomfortable. While
>it is necessary for the majority to respect the one uncomfortable person,
>it
>is just as necessary for the one who is uncomfortable to respect the
>majority view. There is usually a bigger picture at work that just needs to
>be discussed... the system may be changed over time, but it needs to be
>done
>in an environment of respect for each side of comfort zone...
>
>or -- as we learned from Star Trek -- "The needs of
>the many outweight the needs of the few -- or the
>one."
>
>Loyalty goes both ways....
>:tanner
>
>--- Tim Becker <timothy.becker@colorado.edu> wrote:
> > I would like to bring up the the verse "True to
> > self and to each other" in this discusssion. I
> > think that although mainly associated with loyalty
> > I think this verse also states that we should speak
> > out for what we believe and what makes us
> > uncomfortable. As fellow brothers we should also
> > respect any other brothers beliefs and keep them
> > from feeling uncomfortable. In my opinion if just
> > one person is uncomfortable with the song a chapter
> > should try to respect that and find an alternative.
>
>
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