[23376] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Convention
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Ryan Gallagher)
Fri Jan 3 23:26:07 2003
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:26:00 -0500
Reply-To: Michael Ryan Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
From: Michael Ryan Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
I may be a nerd, but I don't (err can't) hit the bars & have yet to go out
more than once, which was <$20. I agree. Leaders must be fiscally
responsible. The cost seems higher in analogy, I guess because it is broad.
I can say that I am a member of 2 hereditary organizations, both of which
charge about that much, though I don't know their financial details. Chris,
what are you working on? Solving the problem or financial responsibility?
If anyone noticed, as soon as I received a note advising me to imply both
sides of an issue through questions, I was up there looking for figures on
membership & financial impacts. I believe I was told that would be looked
into.
LFS,
Michael Gallagher
Zeta Sigma VD----- Original Message -----
From: "Section 48 Chair" <ctracy.apo@insightbb.com>
To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Convention
> I agree, Paul. And frankly the notion of a "poor college student" isn't
> what it used to be. I think that the better term would be "financially
> misguided." I wouldn't apply this to all college students, but I really
> have a problem when someone tells me that they can't afford $20 to spend
on
> a worthwhile cause when I see them every week hitting the bars, movies,
and
> restaurants and spending far more than that on nothing. In fact, this
past
> week alone at Convention I saw literally hundreds of dollars spent on
> entertainment.
>
> I'm just as guilty as anyone else of using the excuse that I just don't
have
> the money, but I think that it's time we all started putting a little
> perspective on things especially when we explain the financial issues of
the
> Fraternity to our students. Instead of just saying it costs $20 bucks to
> pledge and another $35 to join, we could start suggesting that all it
costs
> is 2 or 3 movies and a few dinners out instead. Fiscal responsibility is
as
> much a part of leadership as anything else. I'm working on it too.
>
> You asked a penny for my thoughts, I gave my two cents...now, where's my
> change? =)
>
> LFS,
> Chris Tracy
> Chair, Section Formerly Known as 48
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Haring" <shadow359@hotmail.com>
> To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Convention
>
>
> That may be true. However, I stand firm in my belief that pledging APO is
> still FAR cheaper than pledging a Social Frat or Sorority.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> "And I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd! Your Gonna hear my voice
> when I shout it out aloud! "
>
> -Bon Jovi
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Rachel <iceangel99@YAHOO.COM>
> Reply-To: Rachel <iceangel99@YAHOO.COM>
> To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
> Subject: Re: [APO-L] Convention
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:42:25 -0800
>
>
> Honestly I was dissapointed to see the pledge fee doubled. $15 was a much
> better solution on the basis that rush week is not long and a lot of
people
> decide to pledge not really sure if they want to join or not, and $15 is
not
> a lot of money (my chapters's pledge fee has been $15 all along, the other
5
> going to our operating costs.) that is not a lot of money for something
> you are not quite sure you want to do or not (nor was 10). 20, however,
to
> a college student, is a lot to spend on something you do not know if you
> want to do...i realize that is only $5 more, but to a poor college
student,
> 5 is a lot. i think aamd's should have been what was raised and that the
> pledge fee should have been left alone so that those unsure people could
> still give APhiO a try.
> rachel kuhn,
> zeta delta voting delegate
>
> Paul Haring <shadow359@hotmail.com> wrote:I was running floor services
> when that $15 fee for two years to the AAMDs
> were proposed and I must say that I am slightly disappointed in the
> delagates for not passing that.
>
> I mean don't get me wrong, I don't want to have to fork over another 30
> bucks or anything, but we've raised pledge fees and honorary membership
fees
> to help alleviate the fincances deficit, but It just seems to me that we,
as
> active brothers, should also shoulder some of the burden in helping bring
> the National Fraternity out of the Red. And when you think about it 30
> bucks is like 1 DVD, or two Magazine subscriptions or what have you. Its
> really not that much ESPECIALLY over a 24 month period.
>
> One major point of disappointment in the voting delegates.
>
>
> In Leadership, Friendship, and Service
>
> Paul
>
>
> "And I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd! Your Gonna hear my voice
> when I shout it out aloud! "
>
> -Bon Jovi
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Jennifer Tu
> To: Paul Haring
> CC:
> Subject: Re: [APO-L] Convention
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:10:09 -0500 (EST)
>
> Pledge fees and activation fees were both raised $10, for a total raise of
> $20. No legislation to raise AAMD's had been submitted. A motion
> presented on the floor to charge $15 per active brother was introduced,
> but not passed. Honorary Membership fees were raised, IIRC, $25. Also -
> the Finance Committee managed to present from before lunch to after dinner
> that day, spanning two breaks. So yay to them.
>
> --Jennifer Tu
> Alpha Chi
>
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Paul Haring wrote:
>
> > I know that Pledge Fees were raised. I BELIEVE that the activation fees
> > were raised by $15 although I'm not completley sure. I was running
floor
> > services through out the legislative period and there were so many
> numbers
> > thrown around that I'm not completley sure what the final number was. I
> do
> > know that they were raised.
> >
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
>
