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Re: [APO-L] Felony
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matt Bailey)
Thu Oct 31 17:10:40 2002
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:39:57 -0500
Reply-To: Matt Bailey <Mbailey2@POP3.UTOLEDO.EDU>
From: Matt Bailey <Mbailey2@POP3.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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Speaking as the Chair of the University of Toledo's Student Judicial Board,
I believe that the inclusion of "institutional charges" in any legislation
of this nature would be pointless. Currently, FERPA (Family Educational
Rights & Privacy Act) makes all school judicial cases private (with the
exception of parental notification in certain instances). They are not
covered under any open records laws, to my knowledge. So, unless a chapter
of APhiO was to file the charges with the institution themselves, they would
not even be permitted to know that charges had been filed against a certain
member, unless he or she chose to disclose that fact.
Matt Bailey
Past President
Zeta Lambda Chapter
The University of Toledo
-----Original Message-----
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]On
Behalf Of Randy Finder
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:21 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Felony
Upon seeing this discussion, suppose this amendment were amended to read
"brothers must be found guilty of a crime of public record or an
institutional charge, including hazing, to be eligible for suspension or
expulsion".
Since it's staying at or below the level of felony, this amendment is within
the scope allowable for amendments to proposals.
Would this be more acceptable?
The argument about matters of trial taking too long to warrant this
stipulation, so as not to tie the fraternity's hands down is a bit flawed,
since it can take 2 years anyway to bring such an expulsion proposal up at
national convention.
-Rich Vehlow
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Speaking
as the Chair of the University of Toledo's Student Judicial Board, I believe
that the inclusion of "institutional charges" in any legislation of
this nature would be pointless.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Currently, FERPA (Family Educational Rights & Privacy Act) makes all
school judicial cases private (with the exception of parental notification in
certain instances).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are not
covered under any open records laws, to my knowledge.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>So, unless a chapter of APhiO was to file the charges with
the institution themselves, they would not even be permitted to know that
charges had been filed against a certain member, unless he or she chose to
disclose that fact.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Alpha Phi Omega Discussion
List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Randy Finder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 31, 2002
1:21 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [APO-L] Felony</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Upon seeing this discussion, suppose this
amendment were amended to read "brothers must be found guilty of a crime
of public record or an institutional charge, including hazing, to be eligible
for suspension or expulsion".</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Since it's staying at or below the level
of felony, this amendment is within the scope allowable for amendments to
proposals.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Would this be more acceptable?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The argument about matters of trial taking
too long to warrant this stipulation, so as not to tie the fraternity's hands
down is a bit flawed, since it can take 2 years anyway to bring such an
expulsion proposal up at national convention. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-Rich Vehlow</span></font><font
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