[23076] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] APO and constitutional rights
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Allen Stratton)
Thu Oct 31 15:38:27 2002
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:38:20 -0500
Reply-To: Mark Allen Stratton <mark_stratton@YAHOO.COM>
From: Mark Allen Stratton <mark_stratton@YAHOO.COM>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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FelonyThe constitutional provision to peacably assemble is far different =
from the university granting official recognition to a group of =
students.
Nothing prevents the students from getting together and exhanging their =
ideas (which is the purpose of that provision in the 1st amendment). =
Schools CAN deny groups recognition for a variety of reasons - such a =
denail typically prohibts that group from using campus resources =
(reserving rooms, a/v equipment, school-provided mailboxes, etc.)
There is nothing about a school's refusal to recognize as an =
organization groups of students. So long as those students can get =
together and exchange ideas, the principles of the first amendment are =
observed.
And, the Supreme Court has, on more than one occasion, discussed the =
issues of the rights of *students* versus the rights of members of =
society as a whole.
Mark
(among other things, an instructor of political science and a =
constitutional scholar.)
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To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU=20
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:32 PM
Subject: [APO-L] APO and constitutional rights
Question: If it is a constitutional right to be able to peacefully =
assemble, then isn't it technically a violation of the Constitution for =
a school, especially a public college, to bar the organization of =
fraternities without due cause, such as a prior or existing incident of =
hazing in the fraternities in question?
-Rich Vehlow
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The constitutional provision to =
peacably assemble=20
is far different from the university granting official recognition =
to a=20
group of students.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nothing prevents the students from =
getting together=20
and exhanging their ideas (which is the purpose of that provision in the =
1st=20
amendment). Schools CAN deny groups recognition for a variety of =
reasons -=20
such a denail typically prohibts that group from using campus resources=20
(reserving rooms, a/v equipment, school-provided mailboxes, =
etc.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is nothing about a school's =
refusal to=20
recognize as an organization groups of students. So long as those =
students=20
can get together and exchange ideas, the principles of the first =
amendment are=20
observed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And, the Supreme Court has, on more =
than one=20
occasion, discussed the issues of the rights of *students* versus the =
rights of=20
members of society as a whole.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(among other things, an instructor of =
political=20
science and a constitutional scholar.)</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3DRichard.Vehlow@OGS.STATE.NY.US=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 31, =
2002 3:32=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [APO-L] APO and =
constitutional=20
rights</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D326402820-31102002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Question: If it is a constitutional right to be able to =
peacefully=20
assemble, then isn't it technically a violation of the Constitution =
for a=20
school, especially a public college, to bar the organization of =
fraternities=20
without due cause, such as a prior or existing incident of hazing in =
the=20
fraternities in question?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D326402820-31102002><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2>-Rich Vehlow</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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