[22751] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Extension efforts
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jen O'Leary)
Tue Jul 9 09:27:03 2002
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:00 +0000
Reply-To: "Jen O'Leary" <jeybey@hotmail.com>
From: "Jen O'Leary" <jeybey@hotmail.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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<P>What about those brothers that are part of the wonderful world of secondary education?</P>
<P>Not just to plant the bug that this fraternity exists, but also educate them a bit on what it is about. If enough interest is sparked, they WILL search APO out, possibly even looking to form a chapter on a campus without one. That also provides a contact that they have known for awhile to fall back on if they need to get in contact with other members of the organization.</P>
<P>Just a thought - and something I plan on doing!</P>
<P>Jen O'Leary</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: michael shulman <MIKEINAPO@HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: michael shulman <MIKEINAPO@HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Extension efforts
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:00:59 -0400
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<DIV></DIV>>A note on going to high schools:
<DIV></DIV>>When seniors are graduating they are assalted with 100,000 "important" facts
<DIV></DIV>>about life The possibility that they would remember Alpha Phi Omega after
<DIV></DIV>>the summer is slim.
<DIV></DIV>>What about emailing, etc. Or just going to the club night on their campus?
<DIV></DIV>>Well placed flyers are also useful.
<DIV></DIV>>I agree with Grossi that we dont have the manpower for alumni and staff to
<DIV></DIV>>start rushing on their own.
<DIV></DIV>>The best tool would probably be local chapters, if any exist.
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<DIV></DIV>>Michael Shulman
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<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>>From: "John Grossi" <JGROSSI@ATTBI.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:48 PM
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Extension efforts
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<DIV></DIV>> > > On paper, this seems like a good idea; however, there are many
<DIV></DIV>> > > considerations.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > 1) The college campus has to be willing to INVITE us to hold such an
<DIV></DIV>>event
<DIV></DIV>> > > on the campus. Without the university's support, this can NOT take
<DIV></DIV>>place.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Cold calling is a possibility, but it opens up a whole world of
<DIV></DIV>> > OTHER issues when Nationals goes in and asks a school about starting
<DIV></DIV>> > something. Realistically this is also little different than going and
<DIV></DIV>> > talking to a feeder organization (such as Scouts Canada)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > 2) Some universities could use this activity to view the Chapter as
<DIV></DIV>>being
<DIV></DIV>> > > "run" by the alumni, when our By-Laws indicate that it is student-run.
<DIV></DIV>>This
<DIV></DIV>> > > is a particular problem on certain Southern campuses that are seeking to
<DIV></DIV>>be
<DIV></DIV>> > > re-chartered. The university administrations and the National
<DIV></DIV>>Fraternity
<DIV></DIV>> > > both fear that the Chapter would be run solely by the alumni in that
<DIV></DIV>>area,
<DIV></DIV>> > > and, in some cases, by the same Brothers who were active when the
<DIV></DIV>>Charter
<DIV></DIV>> > > was removed who are now alumni.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > You leave off the possibility of professional *paid* staff
<DIV></DIV>> > doing this.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > 3) It would be better to have the Section and Region staffs to come up
<DIV></DIV>>with
<DIV></DIV>> > > a way to inform graduating seniors from high school that we exist and
<DIV></DIV>>how to
<DIV></DIV>> > > get a Chapter going if one does not exist on his/her perspective campus.
<DIV></DIV>> > > Through this, new Chapters can grow and be assisted by neighboring
<DIV></DIV>>Chapters
<DIV></DIV>> > > and Alumni associations, without being run by them.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Having been a Section Chair, and knowing all that's involved
<DIV></DIV>> > in running a section *well*, as well as the costs associated
<DIV></DIV>> > with the job, is this really something that can and should be
<DIV></DIV>> > loaded on the elected staff's backs? The job you signed up for
<DIV></DIV>> > is to serve your chapters not to talk to each of the 1500 High
<DIV></DIV>> > Schools in your section. (even 10 minutes a school, and 70
<DIV></DIV>> > cents a letter is a prohibitive cost which retracts from your
<DIV></DIV>> > main goal. This is assuming you get *zero* response) If you
<DIV></DIV>> > are going to go out prospective for extension this way, you need
<DIV></DIV>> > to have a very clear message and be ready and willing to execute.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Realistically without APO coming into a lot of money to
<DIV></DIV>> > support some of these ideas, extension is going to hobble
<DIV></DIV>> > on like it is right now. Figure 5-7 full time staff and a paid
<DIV></DIV>> > travel budget for 3-5 years as well as all the political
<DIV></DIV>> > ducks lining up for those staff to reach their full
<DIV></DIV>> > effectiveness. You're looking at 10-12 million dollars.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > We don't have the resouces and man power to do more than
<DIV></DIV>> > organic growth of following up the folks that come to us.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > some more thoughts for consideration...
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > -John
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > If anyone wishes to discuss my points with me, please contact me
<DIV></DIV>>offlist;
<DIV></DIV>> > > also realize that these thoughts do no reflect the opinions of Region IV
<DIV></DIV>>or
<DIV></DIV>> > > Section 74.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Matt Cross
<DIV></DIV>> > > Section 74 Chair -- Alpha Phi Omega
<DIV></DIV>> > > (888) 270-0074
<DIV></DIV>> > > mailto:section.74.chair@apo.org
<DIV></DIV>> > > http://www.section74.org
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > > From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
<DIV></DIV>>On
<DIV></DIV>> > > Behalf Of Brown Michael-EMB021
<DIV></DIV>> > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:52 PM
<DIV></DIV>> > > To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
<DIV></DIV>> > > Subject: [APO-L] Extension efforts
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >From: Teri Sheets <TERISHEETS@ATTBI.COM>
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >It would help, however, if 1) we had more alumni support in the area,
<DIV></DIV>> > > >and
<DIV></DIV>> > > >2) we had a more proactive extension process. We just wait for
<DIV></DIV>>students to
<DIV></DIV>> > > >send us a letter asking for information about APO...how the heck are
<DIV></DIV>>they
<DIV></DIV>> > > >even know that something like APO even exists if we don't somehow go
<DIV></DIV>>out
<DIV></DIV>> > > >there and tell them.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >So, we can talk all we want about why we don't have chapters in Utah.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Until we get the resources and support needed to make it happen, then
<DIV></DIV>> > > >it will all be a bunch of talk.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >In LFS,
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Teri Sheets
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Former Region X Director
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I have to agree with what you say about extension efforts. Since APO
<DIV></DIV>>does
<DIV></DIV>> > > NO advertisement, how can college students know about us before they go
<DIV></DIV>>to
<DIV></DIV>> > > school? Most students that might have heard of us are former scouts
<DIV></DIV>>that
<DIV></DIV>> > > might have seen us listed in a scout manual or see an Info Booth at a
<DIV></DIV>> > > scouting event.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > What we need are teams of Alumni who can host Info Night events at
<DIV></DIV>>college
<DIV></DIV>> > > campuses, with the intention of finding interested students to establish
<DIV></DIV>>an
<DIV></DIV>> > > IG and then become a PG. This is something that local APO Alumni groups
<DIV></DIV>> > > should look at doing as a service to the fraternity.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Michael Brown
<DIV></DIV>> > > APO LM & TB
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