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Re: [APO-L] Manhood Development
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Stratton)
Wed Apr 24 00:27:53 2002
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:27:42 -0500
Reply-To: Mark Stratton <mark_stratton@YAHOO.COM>
From: Mark Stratton <mark_stratton@YAHOO.COM>
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Just another thought:
if individuals wish to join a single-gender chapter, why not just attend =
a single-gender institution? I'm sure there are some very fine schools =
out there (Wabash College is right here in Indiana, for anyone who might =
be interested.)
Just an alternative solution.
Mark
----- Original Message -----=20
From: JayBEE!=20
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Manhood Development
Okay, help nations settle their difference=20
other than war. That actually
was intented to be done by helping to develop=20
these young men. I=20
never knew there was a female leader of=20
Pakistan. But you cannot
object to the focus of Supplement Manhood=20
Development that was in=20
Frank Reed Horton, no matter how you look at it=20
today. Sure women
can learn Friendship, leadership and service. =20
I never said that=20
they shouldn't. What's just plain wrong is not=20
letting a group=20
follow in the footsteps of Frank Reed HOrton. =20
That door should have
never been closed. It was the very idea that=20
created this=20
organization. That you can't deny. You can't=20
have peace when=20
you are turning away peaceful individuals. =20
Somebody's bound to get
upset. And who knows it just might be the=20
spirit of Frank Reed
Horton himself just attempting to make things=20
totally right. =20
>As ahead of his time as he was, I just don't=20
think he could have=20
>envi-sioned the gender equality that we have=20
nowadays.
How do you know. We don't know what he would=20
be thinking. He might
very well be thinking like his age and times. =20
There are plenty of things that
didn't get changed until he died. The Boy=20
Scout requirement didn't
get removed until 1967. And he died in 1966. =20
What makes the=20
gender equality that we have today, have=20
anything to do with what=20
Frank envisoned anyway. Think about it. We=20
placed gender equality=20
in a fraternity because we had to. Not because=20
WE were thinking=20
about gender equality. Gender quality was=20
forced upon us as we=20
are forcing it upon any individual groups that=20
comes to us. =20
Don't think that I don't want women in this=20
organization. I really don't mind, if thats=20
what they want to do. I just want "anybody" to=20
have a chance to join, just as they use to.
JayBEE!
Humility is must be learned=20
(you have to want it to=20
acquire it), but Imperialism=20
is hereditary, (you have to=20
want to remove it from your=20
system).
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just another thought:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if individuals wish to join a =
single-gender=20
chapter, why not just attend a single-gender institution? I'm sure =
there=20
are some very fine schools out there (Wabash College is right here in =
Indiana,=20
for anyone who might be interested.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just an alternative =
solution.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3DJayBEE@25-52.ZZN.COM =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 23, 2002 =
11:17=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APO-L] Manhood=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Okay, help nations settle their difference <BR>other =
than=20
war. That actually<BR>was intented to be done by helping to =
develop=20
<BR>these young men. I <BR>never knew there was a female =
leader of=20
<BR>Pakistan. But you cannot<BR>object to the focus of =
Supplement=20
Manhood <BR>Development that was in <BR>Frank Reed Horton, no =
matter how=20
you look at it <BR>today. Sure women<BR>can learn =
Friendship,=20
leadership and service. <BR>I never said that <BR>they =
shouldn't.=20
What's just plain wrong is not <BR>letting a group =
<BR>follow in the=20
footsteps of Frank Reed HOrton. <BR>That door should =
have<BR>never=20
been closed. It was the very idea that <BR>created this=20
<BR>organization. That you can't deny. You can't =
<BR>have=20
peace when <BR>you are turning away peaceful individuals.=20
<BR>Somebody's bound to get<BR>upset. And who knows it =
just=20
might be the <BR>spirit of Frank Reed<BR>Horton himself just =
attempting to=20
make things <BR>totally right. <BR><BR>>As =
ahead=20
of his time as he was, I just don't <BR>think he could have=20
<BR>>envi-sioned the gender equality that we have=20
<BR>nowadays.<BR><BR>How do you know. We don't know what he =
would=20
<BR>be thinking. He might<BR>very well be thinking like his =
age and=20
times. <BR>There are plenty of things that<BR>didn't get =
changed=20
until he died. The Boy <BR>Scout requirement didn't<BR>get =
removed=20
until 1967. And he died in 1966. <BR><BR>What makes =
the=20
<BR>gender equality that we have today, have <BR>anything to do =
with what=20
<BR>Frank envisoned anyway. Think about it. We =
<BR>placed=20
gender equality <BR>in a fraternity because we had to. Not =
because=20
<BR>WE were thinking <BR>about gender equality. Gender =
quality was=20
<BR>forced upon us as we <BR>are forcing it upon any individual =
groups=20
that <BR>comes to us. <BR><BR>Don't think that I don't want =
women in=20
this <BR>organization. I really don't mind, if thats =
<BR>what they=20
want to do. I just want "anybody" to <BR>have a chance to =
join, just=20
as they use to.<BR><BR>JayBEE!<BR></TT><BR><BR><FONT size=3D+0>
<P align=3Dleft><TT>Humility is must be learned <BR>(you have to =
want it to=20
<BR>acquire it), but Imperialism <BR>is hereditary, (you have to =
<BR>want=20
to remove it from your <BR>system).</TT><BR>Get your Free 25/52 =
E-mail=20
Account at=20
=
http://25-52.zzn.com<BR>_________________________________________________=
___________<BR>Get=20
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