[22523] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Research Results
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JayBEE!)
Mon Apr 22 11:20:46 2002
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:19:56 -0400
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[Irwin]<BR>
There is a no longer a need for discussion of <BR>
this. All current single-gender chapters are <BR>
allowed to maintain their preferred membership <BR>
status in APO. <BR>
<BR>
[JayBEE!]<BR>
Brother Irwin Chui. There is no doubting <BR>
this. I've stated nothing about the current <BR>
status of single-gender chapters in my post.<BR>
If you read over my comments, you will see that <BR>
I was merely stating the contridiction to <BR>
events in our history. As I understand this is <BR>
a medium to which we can share ideas and <BR>
thought to which we might help teach a dn <BR>
educate one another. So if I find where I can <BR>
help in this area, I'll make my own <BR>
determination of what I think needs to be <BR>
discussed. Thank You.<BR>
<BR>
[Irwin]<BR>
What would be the reasoning of revitalizing a <BR>
single-gender chapter, when we are a diverse <BR>
and cohesive union of independent states in <BR>
America? <BR>
<BR>
[JayBEE]<BR>
There is two parts to address in this comment. <BR>
One.) Revitalizing a single gender chapter. If <BR>
there was a reason, a desire my undergraduates, <BR>
it is clearly out of freedom of those <BR>
individuals. So answering what would be the <BR>
reason, is already academic. Two.) We are not <BR>
diverse & cohesive. This is a true for only <BR>
the prespective on a single individual at the <BR>
visual level, what you see on the surface. But <BR>
as you look deeper into our cultures you find <BR>
that outstanding differences in everything we <BR>
do. To be cohesive, there would be across the <BR>
board understanding and acceptance. To me <BR>
Alpha Phi Omega should be where all comes <BR>
together. But when you direct the course of <BR>
individuals to what you prefer, you have more <BR>
of a shaping effect. There's no freedom in that.<BR>
Alpha Phi Omega should be more cohesive and <BR>
accepting in diversity than the United States.<BR>
<BR>
[Irwin]<BR>
Is this what Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther <BR>
King Jr. had in mind regarding freedom and <BR>
independence for persons in the U.S., as stated <BR>
in our Constitution?<BR>
<BR>
[JayBEE!]<BR>
You want to go to the aspect of freedom? <BR>
Really? You actually said "Independence for <BR>
persons" The more rules, restrictions you have <BR>
the less freedom you have. That's got to be <BR>
simple enough. When I talk of single gender <BR>
chapters, it is not something that I can take <BR>
part in, so the desire is desire coming from <BR>
people of diverse cultures. It is the desires <BR>
of students in school where diversity is still <BR>
misunderstood. It is their freedom and their <BR>
independence. <BR>
<BR>
[Irwin]<BR>
The global community is advancing at such a <BR>
rapid pace in our 21st century with high <BR>
technology as the leadership spearhead. As like <BR>
in our beloved fraternity, what we do and enact <BR>
is reflected upon by the world we reside in.<BR>
<BR>
[JayBEE!]<BR>
Irwin. Shouldn't what we do and enact, include <BR>
the freedom of individuals. Say no to that. <BR>
As I said before the more rules, the less <BR>
freedom. I saw a person at a conference with <BR>
their hair colored blue. That's freedom. I <BR>
remember Some city attempting to outlaw the <BR>
color of hair. That's not freedom. In Alpha <BR>
Phi Omega we create a rule saying that you <BR>
can't brand yourself, and chapters have been <BR>
taken because an member of this fraternity on <BR>
that campus had a brand, when branding is <BR>
something desired by and individual. Branding <BR>
is never a forced event. But the rule has <BR>
remove the freedom of that individual. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
[Irwin]<BR>
FYI: What you are proposing would be most <BR>
controversial and potentially illegal here in <BR>
the state of California. <BR>
<BR>
[JayBEE!]<BR>
I made no proposals. And if you think that I'm <BR>
proposing single gender chapter. They are only <BR>
illegal on campuses that are Federally Funded <BR>
and has required that all service organizations <BR>
become coed. I can only assume that there is <BR>
nothing but coed service organizations in <BR>
California. I think that, you think my <BR>
statements for about the future of Alpha Phi <BR>
Omega, it was talking about the past. Check <BR>
the dates.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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