[21028] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] A word from the APO grassroots campaign
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hawkeye, High Lord of Chaos)
Sun Jul 23 14:19:36 2000
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:20:03 -0700
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From: "Hawkeye, High Lord of Chaos" <drhawkeye@NETZERO.NET>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
> First and foremost, I would like to thank everyone who has posted comments
> about my site whether in support or opposition. I would also like to thank
> Michael who originally advertised my site on this listserv. I would also
> like to reiterate my campaign and websiteb
> actions, and documents of this campaign are not to be considered an
> authoritative source nor official thoughts, actions, or documents of Alpha
> Phi Omega Service Fraternity, Scouting For All, or the Theta Sigma Chapter of
> Alpha Phi Omega.
This is the area where I have the greatest disagreement with your
actions. Just by placing the name of Alpha Phi Omega in the prominent
position that it is on the website, it implies that it is supported by
the fraternity, and all the disclaimers in the world won't change how
others view it. It's the perceived idea that can lead to a conflict of
interests. This is one of those areas that is covered in the Risk
Management policy. As a private citizen you can tackle as many
windmills as you like, but please don't include the majority of Brothers
who may not support your cause by including the fraternity's name. So
let me stongly suggest that you seriously consider changing the name so
that it's not implied that I support that cause.
> With that said, I would like to make a few comments regarding some parts of
> the earlier posts. Yes, this campaign is very controversial I know that.
> You don't have to tell me. As one of the earlier posts said, "It would bring
> questions as to whether we should participate in functions sponsored by the
> BSA (such as merit badge day, a huge project for many chapters). Those that
> are scoutmasters or otherwise involved in BSA, would they have to resign
> their positions?" Any chapter still has the right to work at any level of
> involvement with the BSA it deems appropriate. Scoutmasters and former Boy
> Scouts will be welcome in the fraternity, but have to realize that the
> policies of the organization are different from the BSAb
> conform to the more open acceptance level if they wish to be a member.
And what if these new members don't want to conform to the more open
membership policy of APhiO, are we going to discriminate against them
and tell them that they can't join?
> Yet another post by the same author said, "Frankly, as an organization it's
> not APOb
> my website is trying to dictate BSA policy, only APO policy. I hope all of
> you don't think that I am so asinine as to think a separation of the BSA and
> APO will cause the BSA to wake up and say, "oh my, what have we been doing?"
> Of course it will not! That is not the purpose of this campaign. The
> purpose is to make APO wake up and say, "Oh my, how can we say one thing in
> our risk management policy and practice another."
Can you point out examples of where we say one thing and practice
another?
> This same author made some very good points in the beginning of his post, but
> then went off on a tangent that had no merit behind it. He stated, "Argue
> homosexuals aren't pedophiles all you want, if not why are so many of them
> attacking kids of their own sex? Now picture yourself with a learning
> disabled and ready target child and come talk to me [he is the father of a
> learning disabled child] about why BSA does not want to have avowed
> homosexuals as leaders." I have to defend two sides to this. First the BSA,
> yes I will defend the BSA, has never said that the reason they will not
> accept homosexuals is because out of fear of pedophiles, but because, in
> their opinion, homosexuals do not lead a moral lifestyle suitable for a role
> model.
Officially the BSA would never make a statement that puts pedophiles and
homosexuals together, however, they have to keep the parents of their
boys happy, and this is a major concern for many people. If you don't
think that parents would remove their sons from a pack/troop with a
homosexual leader then you're viewing the world with rose-colored
glasses. I'm not defending the position of BSA or the parents, I'm just
stating that it is there. And who are we to tell them to change their
policies? If you don't like the policies of an organization then don't
join it.
> I would like to wrap up by attempting to get the message across that the
> campaign I have started is not an anti-BSA campaign but rather a progressive
> APO campaign. I also hope you realize I am not so stupid as to think my
> legislation will pass at the National Convention. I don't believe it has a
> snowball's chance in hell of actually passing, but I am committed to standing
> up for what I believe. The Boy Scouts of America taught me that. When this
> legislation fails at the convention, know that I will not be disappointed and
> expect to see me again in two years when I submit the legislation once again.
> I will fight this until it is passed.
You'll be fighting a losing battle for a very long time.
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