[19345] in APO-L
Re: ?s about Alcohol relating to an RMP
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Ham)
Sun Oct 11 01:23:43 1998
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:26:35 +1000
Reply-To: David Ham <david.a.ham@STUDENT.ANU.EDU.AU>
From: David Ham <david.a.ham@STUDENT.ANU.EDU.AU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Stephen D. Gravrock wrote:
>
> <<snip scenario pertaining to alcohol>>
>
> Alpha Xi's chapter policies on alcohol boil down to, there will be no
> drinking at anything that could be reasonably considered a chapter
> function.
>
> > * What would be considered a chapter event for those chapter that do not
> > approve their events? Gavel to gavel? Until the end of the Toast Song? Any
> > definitions of chapter event would help.
>
> At Washington State University, anything involving (I think) 3 or
> more members in a group consisting of only/mainly members can be
> considered a chapter function. The exact number might be a little
> higher, but it is single-digit. Because of this, the risk management
> policies of most organizations here are a good deal stricter than you
> might see elsewhere.
>
> The definition of hazing here is also very broad, and that makes a
> difference.
>
Isn't this all a little paranoid? This appears to say that, were I at
you uni, I could not drink at the uni bar with a couple of friends from
my crew. How ridiculous.
What is the problem with people drinking. Meeting at bars is often a
good way for people to get to know other members of the crew. Obviously
we encourage the responsible use of alcohol and things like
drink-driving and drinking before adventurous activities such as rock
climbing are unacceptable but banning alcohol? Why? This is university,
there's *supposed* to be alcohol. From O-week to the law ball, from bar
slug to Students' Association barbeques there are thousands of happily
drinking students. Drinking alcohol, particularly beer, plays an
important part in the national culture and especially in student
culture. Why on earth shouldn't people drink at appropriate university
Scouting functions?
> > * What would be considered a part of the pledge education program? Is it
> > anything that pledges are required to attend or could it be interpreted as any
> > activity that is a chapter event can be a part of the education process?
>
> As far as alcohol is concerned, I would go so far as to say that
> anything involving both pledges and actives could be construed as
> part of the pledge education program. The exception would be, for
> instance, if an active and a pledge were both at a non-APO related
> party where alcohol was served.
>
> As pledgemaster, I can't drink with a pledge under any circumstances.
>
Why the hell not? unless they're under 18 (21 in your case) why
shouldn't you have a beer with a new crew member?
Yours in confusion
David
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David Ham
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Crew Leader, Harcourt Hill Rover Crew ANU ACT 2614
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