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Re: Your message to apo-l

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Catherine M Coury)
Mon Oct 5 14:33:25 1998

Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:23:16 EDT
Reply-To: Catherine M Coury <cmcoury@MIT.EDU>
From: Catherine M Coury <cmcoury@MIT.EDU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:36:53 EDT." 
              <d86eddcd.361903b5@aol.com>

(Great, the gentleman's agreement again. Ah, well. If I get to read
it again, I'm going to have something to say.)

> Additionally, chapters that are still all-male should be
>removed.  Any chapter that does not treat women as equals treats them as
>subordinates.  You need to wake up and face the facts.  There were some
>chapters in the past that wanted "traditions" and tried to keep blacks from
>joining.  But I guess that is ok from the standpoints posted here "because of
>tradition".

Am I female? Yes.
Am I in favor of females being allowed to join APO? Yes. Of course.
Am I in favor of all-males being allowed to remain in APO? Yes.

Why? Because it's not "tradition". It's an *agreement*. We made a
promise. (For those that doubt the existence of this promise, think
about it this way: would the all-males have voted for the agreement,
and remained a part of APO to boot, without this promise? No.) A promise
is a promise, and we can't break it because it has now become
convenient to us, or even because we disagree with it. Whether or
not we actually disagree is a moot point. It's the facts. You need
to wake up and face the facts.

>Any sister that disagrees with the above and feels "let boys be boys" or "it
>does not affect me" does not know what NO means and still lies back and enjoys
>it.  Stand up for our rights.

I am standing up for my rights. That is why I disagree with you; that
is why I am replying to this line, which I found exceptionally
offensive. I do not feel "let boys be boys"; I do not agree with what
Clinton did. Clinton is not the only perjurer, murderer, sinner, or
general scoundrel on the brotherhood rolls - far from. Clinton has not
committed a crime *against the fraternity*. I do not "still lie(s)
back and enjoy it". As a "sister", I find this extremely, extremely
offensive, and feel that it sets the sisterhood you speak of back
eons. I know what NO means, and resent the accusation otherwise.  I am
standing up for my right not to be insulted in this fashion - that is
why I am writing this letter.

Rights are not something to be granted to only women; rights are a
privilege of us all, men or women, black or white. I *am* standing up
for my rights, but I am also standing up for the rights of all others
as well.

-Cathy Coury, cmcoury@mit.edu, Alpha Chi
and quite female, thank you.

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