[81726] in Cypherpunks
Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steve Schear)
Fri Jun 13 12:25:28 1997
In-Reply-To: <19970611221203.50854@bywater.songbird.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:53:54 -0700
To: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>, cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
From: Steve Schear <azur@netcom.com>
Reply-To: Steve Schear <azur@netcom.com>
At 10:12 PM -0700 6/11/97, Kent Crispin wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:18:52PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
>> Ideas are not protected speech, since they only exist in the mind, only
>> expressions are protected.
>
>Actually, expression is heavily encumbered with state mechanism, since
>it is expression that is "protected" by copyright.
Quite.
>Ideas are also
>encumbered by the state, through patent law. The whole notion of
>expression and ideas as property is purely sustained by the state.
Yep. I have the right, because I have the ability, to think anything I
wish. But as soon as I reduce that idea, for example a patent, to a
tangible form the state has deemed it their domain to regulate it, but only
so far as the property aspect is concerned. But they shouldn't from a
freedom of expression standpoint.
>
>> As I stated earlier, all expressions (however
>> objectionable they may be to some or many members of society) deserve
>> protection, unless they immediately threaten (or server to incite others to
>> threaten) the physical well being of specific individuals or groups. Porn
>> and instructions for making conventional or weapons of mass distruction
>> should not be regulated.
>
>It seems to me that your penultimate sentence contradicts your last
>sentence.
>
>--
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