[80201] in Cypherpunks
Re: Anonymous Remailers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ulf =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=)
Fri May 16 07:20:58 1997
To: kent@songbird.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:34:33 +0200 (DFT)
Cc: cypherpunks@algebra.com
In-Reply-To: <19970515192926.34411@bywater.songbird.com> from "Kent Crispin" at May 15, 97 07:29:26 pm
From: 3umoelle@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Ulf =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=)
Reply-To: 3umoelle@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Ulf =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=)
> Hmm. I did read, and I thought I understood this. I claim that if
> the remailers collude, then there in no anonymity. Correct?
Correct.
> Even if I insert my own remailer in the list it doesn't help, if the
> others are all in cahoots. This seems pretty obvious. They all
> compare logs, and saved copies of the messages, and my message can
> be tracked from beginning to end. Right?
Wrong. One trusted mix is enough to guarantee anonymity: There is a
large number of fixed-size messages coming in and a large number of
messages going out in random order. (Consult the archives for
information about possible attacks, such as flooding a remailer with
dummy messages, and how to detect/prevent them.)
> I see a list of remailers posted on cypherpunks periodically -- a
> "cypherpunks" approved list, therefore. Lucky Green admits publically
> that he personally knows several of the remailer operators.
So you say Raph actually *is* part of the cypherpunk conspirary??!
BTW, that list is the "list of reliable remailers", not the "list of
cypherpunk approved remailers". Now guess how a remailer qualifies to
be listed.
> And clearly, remailer operators must share a common ideological
> focus...
Remailer operators share the belief that it must be possible to use
the net anonymously, without leaving traces. Is that what you mean?
PS: Did you know that one remailer operator formerly was a soldier in
East Germany's National People's Army?
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