[80094] in Cypherpunks
FW: Anonymous Remailers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roger J. Jones)
Thu May 15 01:53:28 1997
From: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber@ibpinc.com>
To: "'cypherpunks@toad.com'" <cypherpunks@toad.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:48:04 -0500
Reply-To: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber@ibpinc.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim May [SMTP:tcmay@got.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 11:52 AM
To: Roger J. Jones; 'cypherpunks@toad.com'
Subject: Re: Anonymous Remailers
At 5:17 AM -0800 5/14/97, Roger J. Jones wrote:
>Why is it that some who are very concerned about their personal privacy
>utilize anonymous remailers that:
>
>1) Log all of their mail messages?
With chained, multiply-encrypted messages, logs are ineffective unless =
all of the links in the chain collude to trace messages. While this is =
certainly possible, it seems unlikely.
>2) Are in many cases reputed to be run by foreign intelligence =
services?
This allegation was made by some clueless Washington think tank authors. =
They provided no evidence, only innuendo, and they were unwilling or =
unable to provide any further comments when queried by several =
Cypherpunks.
I suggest that just because you chose to characterize the sources as =
"clueless Washington think tank authors" does not (as they say in Star =
Trek - The Next Generation) "make it so". The "allegation" that foreign =
governments actively participate in actions to violate personal privacy =
("borrowing" laptops from traveling businesspeople, taping phones, etc.) =
are all documented in various places. Of course, they could all the =
result of a single psyop with excellent results. But I doubt it.
And given that many or even most of the remailer operators are members =
of the various related Cypherpunks or Remailers Operators lists, and are =
known to various of us, the notion that most (or even many) remailers =
are run by intelligence agencies is absurd.
>Do they really trust the owner of the remailer? (Unless of course, it =
is
>their remailer?) I seem to be missing something.
I don't recognize your name on this list. Fine, as we always like to see =
new subscribers. But I surmise you just haven't spent enough time yet =
reading and thinking about these issues.
You may surmise what you choose. In fact, that is the essence of free =
discourse. Of course, knowing is far better than surmising. If you =
care to suggest a reading list please feel free to mail it to me direct. =
And yes, I am new to this most charming and entertaining list. Thank =
you for the welcome
Welcome to the Cypherpunks list.
* Tim May
There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of =
laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
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markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of =
governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the =
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