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Re: MD4-derived hash functions

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (hallam@w3.org)
Thu Oct 26 12:42:07 1995

To: JMKELSEY@delphi.com, cypherpunks@toad.com
Cc: hallam@w3.org
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:56:52 EDT."
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:03:57 -0400
From: hallam@w3.org


>Does anyone know whether Rivest was motivated to design
>MD5 by the partial attacks on MD4, or whether those came later?
>(This is totally idle curiousity.)

It was after...

>All of the well-known software hash functions seem to be based on
>MD4 these days, but that doesn't mean much about the security of
>MD4--3DES with three independent keys looks pretty strong, as does.
>3DES with two independent keys, but that doesn't mean that single
>DES is a strong enough cipher for modern applications.

3DES with only two independent keys is only slightly more secure than
DES, consider a variant of the meet in the middle attack exploiting 
the fact that the constraint network is reductible to two equations
in one unknown.

>Is there a generic construction for
>arbitrary-length hash functions from good block or stream ciphers?

Yes, see Bruce's book.

	Phill


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