[116637] in Cypherpunks
Re: Spy Vs. Spy
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Petro)
Mon Aug 16 21:44:44 1999
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>VERY interesting story on how the FBI contains and compartmentalizes
>classified investigative information and techniques. One black team, one
>white team, stolen right out of MAD magazine:
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/aug99/dirty16.htm
"""
For example, Ramzi Yousef and two co-defendants charged in 1995 in
a plot to blow up American airliners sought to suppress statements
made to FBI agents after they had been detained by authorities
abroad. Rejecting the motions in 1996, U.S. District Court Judge Kevin
Thomas Duffy wrote: "The courts of this nation cannot enforce our
constitutional guarantees as against foreign governments acting in
their own lands."
"""
So what happens to the evidence when a English (say for the purposes
of argument) agent catches you on American soil for a crime committed
, and beats a confession out of you. Is it then admissible in court
since our constitution doesn't apply to him?
"""
Such rulings worry some critics. "The whole terrorism scare has given
a certain legitimacy to the idea of linking U.S. law enforcement with
foreign governments, and when that happens in places like Turkey or
Egypt that do not have great records on due process, you have a
recipe for losing respect for the rule of law," said Robert E. Precht, who
served as a defense attorney in the World Trade Center trial and now
directs the public service program at the University of Michigan law
school.
"""
Or more wisely loosing respect for governments.
--
"To sum up: The entire structure of antitrust statutes in this
country is a jumble of economic irrationality and ignorance. It is a
product: (a) of a gross misinterpretation of history, and (b) of
rather naïve, and certainly unrealistic, economic theories." Alan
Greenspan, "Anti-trust"
http://www.ecosystems.net/mgering/antitrust.html
