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Can anyone verify if this report is for real ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dave Emery)
Sat Mar 13 14:47:52 1999
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:30:08 -0500
From: Dave Emery <die@die.com>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
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Reply-To: Dave Emery <die@die.com>
Ran across the following discussion of some strange federal
sites out in the LA area... I am inclined to completely dismiss the
right wing nut perspective of the poster, but I would be most interested
in whether any of these sites really exist (I am in the NE and don't get
out to the left coast much, so it isn't easy for me to do so). I hate
to clutter up the list with right wing nonsense from far beyond the lunatic
fringe, but I am quite curious to know if anyone has happened opon
any of these places or has any information about them and their purpose.
And does anyone have any idea of what these places might be
being built for (if they are really federal sites) ? Best guess I can
come up with is stockades for triaging and quaranteening victims of a
biological terrorist attack to keep the infection from spreading
further... or perhaps as places to lock up urban rioters and looters in
the event of a serious disaster such as the inevitable major earthquake.
Seems completely beyond the pale that they really are preparing
to round up the usual suspects quite so overtly and on such a
significant scale, so the real purpose of these sites (or at least the
justification handed out to those in charge of building them) must be
related to counter-terrorism and post terrorist attack crisis
management. And anything on this scale must have been approved at high
levels and be reasonably widely known on the inside of government.
After all, what would be done with the sick and dieing after a biological
attack that overwhelmed conventional resources anyway ?
But if someone can confirm they exist it would be very interesting
to dig further.... and very interesting to know if this material is
fantasy propaganda or a chilling harbinger of a new era...
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:09:51 -0800
From: jana4c@axion.net
To: "EWAR-L@sonic.net" <EWAR-L@sonic.net>
Subject: [EWAR] [Fwd: Konformist: SoCal Concentration Camp Locations In LA And Ventura Counties]
http://www.konformist.com/1999/socalcamps.htm
SoCal Concentration Camp Locations In LA And Ventura Counties
From Don <dbjoyy@24-seven.net>
3-7-99
Note - If any of you can get to these locations and take some photos, we
would appreciate seeing them and will add them to this story. Suggest you
use caution and take a zoom lens along. Thanks to Don for this information.
Concentration Camp Locations in Southern California
For all you disbeliever's and gun control idiots who think the
government knows best, I've compiled a short list of camps you can
visit. These camps have armed guards, surveillance systems, and many
fences with the barbed wire pointing IN. If you voted for gun-control,
then you probably deserve a place in one of these things, as you've sold
not only you and your own children down the road, but me and mine as
well. Thanks a lot.
1. PEARBLOSSOM, CALIFORNIA: Located at the intersection of Ave 116 and
the Pearblossom Highway, this is a full-service facility, complete with
gas chambers, moat, machine gun towers, and roving armed patrols. Visit
at your own risk. If you do decide to see this one, you will be
descended upon by some very mean fellows, who will get your ID and
license, then monitor you.
2. FILMORE, CALIFORNIA: Located on highway 126, this at first glance
looks like an orange grove and is located on the north side of the
highway. It sports guard centers, three--count em--three sets of fences,
all pointing in, and some very nasty armed men who tell you to "mind
your own business." This camp is huge.
3. SANTA PAULA, CALIFORNIA: This is a holding camp, designed as a
stock-yard type of facility for those rounded up in the early sweeps.
4. VALENCIA, CALIFORNIA: This is one of the largest camps ever
constructed and measures some two miles by three miles, using the
resivoir at the intersection of the 5 and 405 freeways as a cover. New
buildings, armed guards, new roads, and many hundreds of buildings for
housing the damned.
5. GLENDALE, CALIFORNIA: Right behind Brand Park, take the 5
interstate to Western Ave, then head north up the hill till you arrive
at the park. Then take the road -- by foot -- by the doctor's house on
the northwestern part of the park. Proceed up the hill to you reach the
resivoir, which is in fact, a holding facility. When we were there last,
there were five armed guards with M16s walking around.
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Commentary on the Concentration Camps
By Don <dbjoyy@24-seven.net 3-7-99
Dear friends,
Recently, I sent out to the various news media an extremely
small list of Concentration Camps recently built by your United States
Government. As it happens, very few journalists acted upon the
information and shared it with listeners/viewers/readers. Of course,
once the information was made public, I've now become slandered,
attacked, and called all sorts of names and the like. How interesting it
is that when we bring truth to our world, the messenger is killed, even
if symbolically.
Many of us in the media have been aware of these hideous camps
since their inception. It only takes a look at the history of this
century to know what will happen in them once they are populated. The
heart shudders at such knowledge but ignoring it won't make it go away.
The only answer is to get the information out there in the world and
make our elected government answer.
I've personally visited these camps and have taken pictures.
They are REAL. They are manned. They have moats, motion sensors, inner
berms to hide the main complexes, guards at the gates, electric gates,
processing centers, and of course, high fences with razor wire and
barbed pointing inward - not outward - but inward to KEEP PEOPLE IN.
The larger facilities are called golf courses or water treatment
plants. When was the last time you saw a golf course (Portland, Oregon)
with armed guards carrying M16s? Why do the larger facilities have
smokestacks? Ever see a crematorium? The smaller facilities are usually
holding facilities, obviously designed for the short- term roundups
prior to the hapless souls being shipped off to their final destination
somewhere else.
You have to know that it was never my intention to uncover this
information to frighten anyone nor to get publicity, as so many claim.
As my readers are well aware, I stumbled upon this stuff in research for
a new book. I have a family and want to see them grow up and they want
to have a father that is alive, not dead. Reporting this type of
information has made me very unpopular with the government and I've been
warned many times by the FBI to 'mind my own business.' Unlike many of
my contemporaries, I've chosen to research these camp claims for myself.
I HAD to see them with my own eyes. They do exist. But the real
question that needs to be asked - and asked fast - is why?
Why are they being built? Whom are they for? Why does the
government deny their existence? A friend of mine and I discovered 32
camps in just one county in Colorado alone. You can drive right up to
them. However, the Department of Corrections in Colorado, the Marshall's
Office, the County Sheriffs office, and the Federal agencies in Colorado
all claim there is nothing at these sites except the lonesome prairie.
That's just a flat out lie.
Because of the staggering amount of mail I've received on this,
my friends in the media - what few there are who have the guts to print
the truth - have allowed me to answer a myriad amount of questions
regarding the camps. No one - not a single person - has reported this
information on the evening news nor in their newspapers. Most of these
questions are from the Internet by people who have read the research
material and it is their questions that are being answered.
? Why such a short-list? This was a good question and I've given
the reason much thought. We've uncovered over 700 hundred camps so far.
We have pictures to prove their existence. The answer is: We wanted to
get as much of a complete listing as we possibly could before going
public. The reason for that is obvious: you can't research very much
when you are in jail on trumped-up charges or dead, can you? The other
part of the answer is that we are still observing the construction going
on there. For the most part we are very much watched when we visit them;
we are stopped by armed men who ask to see ID. This on public roads.
Making a circus of these sites will only get innocent people killed.
Know this; if you visit these camps you will end up under government
surveillance, and these folks are not very kind. Also, most, if not all
the construction on these facilities happens at night. Why?
? Locations. They seem to be popping up everywhere. For example,
in January of 1999, there were no camps in Fillmore California, now
there are two (March 1999.) They seem to ring around population centers
for the most part, with many short-term 'holding facilities' buried in
the hills and dales around the inner cities. There are over 53 camps in
Southern California.
? How do you determine if they are a concentration camp? This
one is easy. Have you ever seen a prison up close? They do have certain
features that are unmistakable from other types of things like schools
or churches. Here are the determining factors. It has to have:
1. Barbed wire or razor wire fences that point inward. Look at
most security fences. The top portion points out to keep trespassers
out, right? Prisons, labor camps and the like all have their fence tops
pointing in so that the inmates are greatly hampered in climbing them.
2. Some type of guard facility that is defendable and wired with
microwave transmitters.
3. Armed guards parading around in golf-pro shirts or department
of water clothing. I wasn't aware that our utilities were arming their
employees with MP5s and M16s. Even the smallest facility we found had
five, count em, five armed guards in tactical gear.
4. Tactical berms to hide the main complexes from the road.
These also have moats, not yet filled with water, that surround the
inner complex. The camp in Pearblossom is an excellent example of a
full-service camp. The people go in, but they don't come out.
? What was all that nonsense anyway about gun control? My
research into concentration camps revealed that prior to each country's
use of such things, they first disarmed their people with gun-control
propaganda. Personally, I'm all for gun control, as long as it applies
to true gun control - and that means disarming - not militarizing the
police, the criminals, and the dictators the world over. Have you ever
seen someone gut shot? It's horrible. However, when you find them
rounding up you and your loved ones (separating the parents from the
children) you'll soon realize the only preventing a repeat performance
of The Holocaust is firearms. The founding fathers of America knew what
they were talking about and had some pretty good insight when they
created the constitution. It is a well-known fact that the CIA created
HCI (Handgun Control Inc) and that it is a well-funded creature of the
CIA. Why does the CIA want America's citizens disarmed? That's the real
question. You can't have a dictatorship or Martial Law if the voters are
armed, can you?
? Mr. Bradley, I think you are full of it. That may be so, but
if I am wrong, why is the government going to such lengths to hide them
in orange groves and other 'first-glance' disguises? Why are they
tapping my phones, following me around, and then following the people I
talk to? Why are those men and women in the media who are publicizing my
research being called by people who are trying to discredit me as some
kind of nut case?
? Aren't you scared? Sure. Everyday of my life. But not for my
own existence. Quite frankly, after spending two years exposing Remote
Viewing for the mind-control sham that it is, I haven't been in good
graces with the alphabet-soup agencies. I fear that this knowledge may
be too little, too late. Quite frankly, if we don't get some public
awareness on this issue and soon, we might all be having some firsthand
experience with camps. When they come for you in Martial Law, they round
up journalists who are independent, Lawyers, History Professors,
Constitutionalists, Minorities, and anyone who won't surrender their
firearms. As well, they also have been compiling, since 1994, lists of
people buying food, weapons, clothing, etc., Again, the right question
is, why the lists? Why the camps? Why so many? Why moats and electric
fences? Why turnstiles that are color-coded for processing? Why are
there angry white (I don't know why, but so far the guards we have run
into have all been white males in their late twenties to early thirties)
guards carrying automatic weapons and telephoto cameras? WHY IS THE
GOVERNMENT BUILDING THESE CAMPS AND DENYING THEIR EXISTENCE?
? When will you supply us with the complete list of camps? Well,
not sure if it will ever be complete. We've been to places where there
were only two camps (El Canon City, Colorado, February 1998, for
example) and went back five months later and there were seven camps. The
camps in Colorado, by the way, are Huge in every sense of the word.
These, it seems apparent, are final destination or full-service camps.
Also, I am only one man. It takes a lot of time and money (both ever on
short supply) to research these things and I usually do it when
traveling on other business. Plus, having a machine gun shoved in your
face tends to ruin your day. The camps around Utah and Arizona are the
spookiest ones we've photographed. These are very clearly camps for the
undead. All the full-service camps have rail spurs and landing strips
adjacent to them.
? What are the purposes of these camps? Read history, what of it
in print they haven't managed to dispose of by now. Camps hold people.
They aren,t prisons in the normal sense of the word. A prison has a
hospital, a gym, food facilities, recreation yards, and cells for the
inmates. Camps are like stockyards for humans. Very little shelter and a
great deal of death.
? What do you think the government's reaction will be to this
report of yours? What it has always been: plausible deniability, a
phrase and action created by the covert agencies of this country. First,
deny the existence. Then, if that fails, explain it away with a limited
hangout (short for another lie, but this time with a small miter of
truth.)
? When we're they built? By all indications, and since we've
started looking at these things in early 1998, it appears most of the
larger facilities were started around 1995 and are still being modified.
The smaller holding type facilities are being rapidly built RIGHT NOW.
? How can I find one in my area? It's rather easy, but you have
to have two things: one, a mind that isn't sleeping or daydreaming. Two,
a watchful eye. That's how we did it. We just started paying attention
to our surroundings. The government counts on most folks not even really
knowing what is around in their own neighborhoods. Also, start looking
at the fringes of your city, as this seems to be where they like to
place them. Look first for the fences pointing in that's the most
noticeable feature about the camps that you usually can see from the
road. Near Trinidad, Colorado, many of the outlying residents watched
the construction happen and were warned off by armed men without badges
when they tried to approach the builders. Most, if not all building, is
done at night.
? Why were they built? That's the question, isn't it?
? Isn't there some other explanation for them, like a new kind
of cheap prison? Really? Would you want to be in a prison with no
shelter, hospital, nor any other kind of formal living arrangements and
exposed to the elements? Listen, I wish these things didn't exist. I get
sick everytime I find another one. I didn't create them, you know. The
messenger isn't to blame for the message.
? Have you seen Elvis and where is he now? I'm sorry, that's the
next site over, not this one. Please move on.
? When do you think they will start populating these camps?
Don't know. But by all indications, they are being built up at a rather
startling rate. That indicates a time-line of sorts. A deadline has been
set and they are trying to get in place and readiness for something.
? Anything Else? Sure. Tons of information. What would you do
with it? Most people don't want to know, period. It's scary stuff.
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