[107669] in Cypherpunks
Re: CDR: Re: [Fwd: C-Subs, a very scary thought] (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim May)
Wed Jan 20 19:19:49 1999
In-Reply-To: <199901202321.AAA15988@replay.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:58:44 -0800
To: cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
Reply-To: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
At 3:21 PM -0800 1/20/99, Anonymous wrote:
>>Or, if the sonar is that sensitive, and the hiding submarine is sitting on
>>the floor, it will look like a suspiciously long, cylindrical "rock".
>
>In order to do that, the searching submarine will have to be pinging away. I
>don't recall whether submarines can actually identify the precise class of
>vessel from active sonar. I know they can from passive.
>
>"Conn, sonar, commencing pinging..."
>
>"Conn, sonar, new contact bear---TORPEDO IN THE WATER, BEARING ZERO ZERO
>ZERO! POINT BLANK!"
This analysis ignores the common asymmetry in who's hiding, who's not.
The searching ship or sub may be uninterested in hiding. It may be in its
own waters, it may have a flotilla of friendlies nearby, etc. In the
canonical "c-sub hiding on the bottom" scenario, the c-sub must remain
hidden.
--Tim May
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