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Re: L170 - 6734AB0
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (William Cattey)
Thu Jul 29 13:33:11 2004
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From: William Cattey <wdc@MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:32:59 -0400
To: Robert N Davies <robdavie@us.ibm.com>
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Thanks for the technical details. Unfortunately, my experience is that
no matter what the specs say, sometimes the Linux driver and the video
monitor don't get along. The only definitive way to know if it works
is to plug it in and see.
The video monitor configuration code in Linux changes all the time.
The authors allege that it always gets better, but I've had too many
bad surprises to feel safe with anything less than an actual tryout.
This is an example of why we kicked Dell out. Dell would change
hardware with no notice.
This is an example of why we need an instance of exactly the
configuration we are to be selling. You will remember that I said the
most frequent sources of problems are ethernet, sound, and video. You
may also remember the web site we published two years ago where we
pointed out which LCD's displays were problematic under Linux with the
IBM Intellistation.
I've asked Steve to signal up the chain of command how unacceptable it
is to just change the LCD without warning.
Getting us a 67734ACO to test with as quickly as possible is the best
way to move forward.
I expect that the monitor will work, but cannot recommend any purchases
until we confirm that as a fact.
-wdc
On Jul 29, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Robert N Davies wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I must apologize as my ignorance of the Linux OS does not provide me
> the
> foresight to know that things such as monitor changes may affect the
> operation. Rather than provide you what 'I think are the sigificant
> differences' between the monitors I have included a thorough technical
> breakdown below for the experts to review. Please let me know if you
> need
> any additional information or assistance.
>
>
> Product Details
>
>>
>
> IBM ThinkVision L170 At a glance...
> Monitor
>
> Model 6734AC0
>
> (Embedded image moved to Key characteristics IBM ThinkVision
> file: pic11880.jpg) L170 Monitor
>
>
> Unique System Features
>
> IBM List Price7 $519.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> • 17-inch viewable image size
>
> • Native resolution 1280 x 1024
>
> • ThinkVantage design:<br />
>
> - Tilt stand<br />
>
> - Direct access for automatic image setup and brightness<br />
>
> - Quick and easy monitor adjustments using new designed on-screen
> display (OSD)<br />
>
> - Matching design to IBM systems<br />
>
> - Cable managment in stand
>
> • Automatically scales resolution less than 1280 x 1024
>
> • Internal power
>
> • Kensington lock-compatible
>
> • Lockable digital controls
>
> • Detachable base for mounting on wall or arm (sold separately
> with
> optional mounting equipment
>
>
>
> Note7
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>
>>>> IBM List $519.00
>>> Price
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Supply Code:
>>
>
>>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> |----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> |Part number Description
> |
> |
> |
> |6734AC0 IBM ThinkVision L170 Monitor
> |
> |
> |
> |Alternate/replacement part
> |
> |information
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
> |----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> Product category: Monitors
>
> Product family: Flat Panel Monitors
>
> Product series: 17" (17" viewable image size)
>
> Controlling Division:
>
> VLH type:
>
> Software category:
>
> Software series:
>
> UPC Code:
>
> Group:
>
> Sub-group:
>
> Class:
>
> Model name IBM ThinkVision L170 Monitor
>
> Worldwide part number: 6734AC0
>
> Manufacturer's Part Number:
>
> Retail SKU #:
>
> Global model: Yes
>
> Workhorse model:
>
> Geography part number: 6734AC0
>
> Type / Model: 6734-AC0
>
> Standard pack quantity:
>
> Announce status: Announced
>
> Availability status:
>
> Bid Index: 477.48
>
> Distributor Index: 472.29
>
> Announce date: 29 Jun 04
>
> General availability date: 16 Jul 04
>
> IBM announcement number: 39875
>
> Announcement of withdrawal
> date:
>
> Withdrawal date:
>
> Withdrawal announcement number:
>
> Service end date:
>
> Final returns date:
>
> Final returns request date:
>
> Returns announcement number:
>
> Alternative models:
>
> Most recent change date: 29 Jun 04
>
> Reason for change:
>
> Countries of origin: United States
>
> Ship group: One monitor, Attached tilt
> stand,
> Attached 1.8-meter analog
> video signal
> cable (15-pin D to 15-pin D),
> Power cord,
> CD containing multilingual
> user's guide,
> set-up test pattern, and .INF
> file, Setup
> guide, Safety and warranty
> information
>
> IBM compatible product:
>
> Notice of delivery:
>
> Notice of order:
>
> Special model designation:
>
> Help Center
>
> Primary manufacturer:
>
> Secondary manufacturer:
>
>
>
> Hidden Fields
> 6734AC0IBM ThinkVision L170 Monitor
> IBM ThinkVision L170 Monitor
>
>
>
>>>> Limited Warranty Three Year Rapid Replacement Service (CCE)
>>> period and type3:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> (as known at time
>> of announcement)
>
> Restrictions:
>
> Power Power Consumption:
> - Maximum: < 40 watts
> requirements: - Normal use: < 40 watts typical
> -
> VESA standby: < 2 watts
> - VESA suspend:
> < 2 watts
> - VESA off: < 2 watts
>
> Supported Windows ME
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> software:
>
>
> Hardware
> prerequisites
>
> IBM systems: This monitor has been tested with IBM
> personal
> computers and is compatible with systems and
> graphics adapters which comply with the
> relevant
> parts of "VESA and industry standards and
> guidelines for computer display monitor
> timing"
> version 1.0 revision 0.8, adopted September
> 17,
> 1998., Supported display modes and number of
> colors are a function of the attaching system
> unit. The full range of display modes,
> refresh
> rates, and number of colors available with
> this
> monitor may not be available or supported
> with
> all combinations of system units, their
> operating systems, and application software.
> Implementation of monitor Plug and Play
> follows
> the VESA DDC standard. This standard must
> also
> be implemented in the attaching system unit
> hardware and software to be effective.
>
> Non-IBM
> systems:
>
> Adapters:
>
> Mounting kit
> etc.:
>
>
> Product Approvals
>
> Product Australian, BSMI (Taiwan), CE MARK (Europe),
> CSA
> approvals/ce (Canada), DEMKO, IEC-950 CB Report, ISO 13406
> rtifications Pt2, Energy Star, EZU (Czech), FCC Class B
> (US),
> 4: FIMKO (Finland), GOST (Russia), GS (Germany),
> Hong Kong, IC (Canada), Korean, MEEI
> (Hungary),
> MPR3, New Zealand, NEMKO, NOM (Mexico), PCBC
> (Poland), SASO, SEMKO (Sweden), SIQ
> (Slovenia),
> SISIR (Singapore), TCO 99, TUV, UL, VCCI
> Class B
> (Japan)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Display case colour: Business black
>
> Terminal type:
>
> Monitor Type Flat Panel LCD
>
> Monitor Size: 17 inches
>
> Viewable image size: 17 inches (432 mm)
>
> Maximum viewable width: 338 mm
>
> Maximum viewable height: 270 mm
>
> Pixel pitch/type: 0.264mm
>
> Anti-glare:
>
> Anti-static:
>
> Touch screen:
>
> Tilt/swivel stand: Tilt only
>
> Multimedia features:
>
> Number of factory presets: 21
>
> Number of user presets: 15
>
> IBM Preset Display Modes: 640 x 350 at 70Hz; 640 x 480 at
> 60,66,72, 75Hz; 720 x 400 at 70
> Hz; 800 x 600 at 60, 72, 75Hz;
> 832 x 624 at 75Hz; 1024 x 768 at
> 60, 70, 75Hz; 1152 x 864 at
> 75Hz; 1152 x 870 at 75Hz; 1152 x 900
> at 66Hz; 1280 x 1024 at 60,72,
> 75,76Hz
>
> Microprocessor control:
>
> Recommended Resolution: 1280x1024
>
> Maximum addressibility:
>
> Plug and play support:
>
> Ergonomics ISO 13406 Part 2
>
> Emission Standard: TCO-99, MPR-III
>
> Vertical refresh rate (low; 55Hz; 75Hz
> high) (Hz):
>
> Horizontal Frequency Range: 30KHz; 80KHz
>
> Power management features4: Energy Star compliant
>
> Power consumption: 40 W
>
> Video Input: Analog
>
> User-Defined Display Modes: Language Select, Manual Setup,
> OSD Menu position, Scaling,
> Factory Default, Horizontal
> position, Information, Accessibility,
> Auto setup,
> Brightness/contrast, Color, Vertical position
>
> Brightness: 300cd/m2
>
> Maximum Pixel Frequency:
>
> Monitor Technology:
>
> Horizontal Viewing Angle:
>
> Vertical Viewing Angle:
>
> Response Time:
>
> Native Resolution: 1280x1024
>
> Connector: 15 Pin D
>
> Tilt:
>
> Swivel:
>
> Portrait/Landscape:
>
> Height Adjustment US:
>
> Height Adjustment Metric:
>
> Power Supply Type:
>
> Contrast ratio: 500:1
>
> Max Resolution: 1280x1024
>
> Speaker Power:
>
> External Speakers:
>
> Horizontal Pitch:
>
> Diagonal Pitch:
>
>
>
> Other Information
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Note6
>>
>
>>>>> Weight: 13.2 lbs
>>
>
> Travel weight: --
>
> Height: 16.2 in
>
> Width: 15.7 in
>
> Depth: 8.6 in
>
> Operating 10; 35
> Temperature (C)
> (low; high):
>
> Relative Humidity 10; 80
> (%) (low; high):
>
> Wet Bulb (C):
>
> Altitude Range:
>
> Clearance Width
> Metric:
>
> Clear Width US:
>
> Clearance Depth
> Metric:
>
> Clearance Depth
> US:
>
> Clearance Height
> Metric:
>
> Clearance Height
> US:
> Storage
> Temperature Range:
>
> Storage Humidity
> Range:
>
> Ship Information
>
> Box 1
>
> Weight: 8 Kg
>
> Height: 484 mm
>
> Width: 493 mm
>
> Depth: 281 mm
>
> Box 2
>
> Weight: --
>
> Height: --
>
> Width: --
>
> Depth: --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Product Details
>
>>
>
> IBM ThinkVision L170 At a glance...
> Monitor
>
> Model 6734AB0
>
> (Embedded image moved to Key characteristics IBM ThinkVision
> file: pic17981.jpg) L170 Monitor
>
>
> Unique System Features
>
> IBM List Price7 $499.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The ThinkVision(TM) L170 17-inch LCD Monitor is ideal for those who
> desire
> the benefits of a flat panel monitor at an affordable price. The
> ThinkVision L170 displays an optimum resolution of 1280 x 1024. It
> incorporates IBM ThinkVantage(TM) design that enhances usability and
> complements the system design. The ThinkVision L170 is an Essential
> flat
> panel LCD in IBM's ThinkVision family of monitors.
>
> This monitor is best suited for:
>
> * Complex spreadsheets
>
> * Multitasking
>
> * General business applications
>
> - Excellent space saving replacement for 17-inch or 19-inch CRT
> monitor.
>
> - ThinkVantage Design
>
> * Tilt stand for viewing comfort adjustments.
>
> * Quick and easy monitor adjustments using new designed
> On-Screen-Display (OSD).
>
> * Direct access for automatic image setup and brightness.
>
> * Cable management in the stand.
>
> - Internal power eliminates the bulky power adapter for improved
> cable
> management.
>
>
>
> Note7
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>
>>>> IBM List $499.00
>>> Price
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Supply Code:
>>
>
>>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> |----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> |Part number Description
> |
> |
> |
> |6734AB0 L170 17in LCD 17.0V BL
> |
> |
> |
> |Alternate/replacement part
> |
> |information
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
> |----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---|
> Product category: Monitors
>
> Product family: Flat Panel Monitors
>
> Product series: 17" (17" viewable image size)
>
> Controlling Division:
>
> VLH type:
>
> Software category:
>
> Software series:
>
> UPC Code:
>
> Group:
>
> Sub-group:
>
> Class:
>
> Model name IBM ThinkVision L170 Monitor
>
> Worldwide part number: 6734AB0
>
> Manufacturer's Part Number:
>
> Retail SKU #:
>
> Global model: Yes
>
> Workhorse model:
>
> Geography part number: 6734AB0
>
> Type / Model: 6734-AB0
>
> Standard pack quantity:
>
> Announce status: Announced
>
> Availability status:
>
> Bid Index: 459.08
>
> Distributor Index: 454.09
>
> Announce date: 22 Apr 03
>
> General availability date: 9 May 03
>
> IBM announcement number: 38153
>
> Announcement of withdrawal
> date:
>
> Withdrawal date:
>
> Withdrawal announcement number:
>
> Service end date:
>
> Final returns date:
>
> Final returns request date:
>
> Returns announcement number:
>
> Alternative models:
>
> Most recent change date: 23 Aug 03
>
> Reason for change: Price Change
>
> Countries of origin:
>
> Ship group: One monitor, Attached tilt
> stand,
> Attached 1.8-meter analog
> video signal
> cable (15-pin D to 15-pin D),
> Power cord,
> Setup guide, Safety and
> warranty
> information
>
> IBM compatible product:
>
> Notice of delivery:
>
> Notice of order:
>
> Special model designation:
>
> Help Center
>
> Primary manufacturer:
>
> Secondary manufacturer:
>
>
>
> Hidden Fields
> 6734AB0L170 17in LCD 17.0V BL
> L170 17in LCD 17.0V BL
>
>
>
>>>> Limited Warranty Three Year Rapid Replacement Service (CCE)
>>> period and type3:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> (as known at time
>> of announcement)
>
> Restrictions:
>
> Power Power Consumption:
> - Maximum: < 40 watts
> requirements: - Normal use: < 40 watts typical
> -
> VESA standby: < 2 watts
> - VESA suspend:
> < 2 watts
> - VESA off: < 2 watts
>
> Supported Windows ME
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> software:
>
>
> Hardware
> prerequisites
>
> IBM systems: This monitor has been tested with IBM
> personal
> computers and is compatible with systems and
> graphics adapters which comply with the
> relevant
> parts of "VESA and industry standards and
> guidelines for computer display monitor
> timing"
> version 1.0 revision 0.8, adopted September
> 17,
> 1998., Supported display modes and number of
> colors are a function of the attaching system
> unit. The full range of display modes,
> refresh
> rates, and number of colors available with
> this
> monitor may not be available or supported
> with
> all combinations of system units, their
> operating systems, and application software.
> Implementation of monitor Plug and Play
> follows
> the VESA DDC standard. This standard must
> also
> be implemented in the attaching system unit
> hardware and software to be effective.
>
> Non-IBM
> systems:
>
> Adapters:
>
> Mounting kit
> etc.:
>
>
> Product Approvals
>
> Product Australian, BSMI (Taiwan), CCC (China), CE
> MARK
> approvals/ce (Europe), CSA (Canada), DEMKO, Energy Star,
> EZU
> rtifications (Czech), FCC Class B (US), FIMKO (Finland),
> GOST
> 4: (Russia), GS (Germany), IC (Canada), IEC-950
> CB
> Report, ISO 13406 Pt2, JEIDA, Korean, MEEI
> (Hungary), MIC (Korea), MPR3, New Zealand,
> NEMKO, NOM (Mexico), PCBC (Poland), PSB
> (Singapore), South Africa, SASO,
> SEMKO(Sweden),
> SIQ (Slovenia), TCO 99, TUV, UL, VCCI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Display case colour: Black
>
> Terminal type:
>
> Monitor Type LCD
>
> Monitor Size: 17 inches
>
> Viewable image size: 17 inches (432 mm)
>
> Maximum viewable width: 338 mm
>
> Maximum viewable height: 270 mm
>
> Pixel pitch/type: 0.264mm
>
> Anti-glare:
>
> Anti-static:
>
> Touch screen:
>
> Tilt/swivel stand: Tilt only
>
> Multimedia features:
>
> Number of factory presets: 14
>
> Number of user presets: 15
>
> IBM Preset Display Modes: 640 x 480 at 60, 72, 75Hz; 720
> x 400 at 70Hz; 800 x 600 at 60,
> 72, 75Hz; 832 x 624 at 75Hz;
> 1024 x 768 at 60, 70, 75Hz; 1152 x
> 864 at 75Hz; 1280 x 1024 at 60,
> 75Hz
>
> Microprocessor control:
>
> Recommended Resolution: 1280x1024
>
> Maximum addressibility:
>
> Plug and play support:
>
> Ergonomics ISO 13406 Part 2
>
> Emission Standard: TCO-99
>
> Vertical refresh rate (low; 55Hz; 75Hz
> high) (Hz):
>
> Horizontal Frequency Range: 30KHz; 80KHz
>
> Power management features4: Energy Star compliant
>
> Power consumption: 40 W
>
> Video Input: Analog
>
> User-Defined Display Modes: Auto setup, Brightness, Color,
> Contrast, Controls lock/unlock,
> Factory Default, Horizontal
> position, Information, Language
> Select, Manual Setup, OSD Menu
> position, Scaling, Vertical
> position
>
> Brightness: 250cd/m2
>
> Maximum Pixel Frequency:
>
> Monitor Technology:
>
> Horizontal Viewing Angle:
>
> Vertical Viewing Angle:
>
> Response Time:
>
> Native Resolution:
>
> Connector: 15 Pin D
>
> Tilt:
>
> Swivel:
>
> Portrait/Landscape:
>
> Height Adjustment US:
>
> Height Adjustment Metric:
>
> Power Supply Type:
>
> Contrast ratio: 350:1
>
> Max Resolution: 1280x1024
>
> Speaker Power:
>
> External Speakers:
>
> Horizontal Pitch:
>
> Diagonal Pitch:
>
>
>
> Other Information
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Note6
>>
>
>>>>> Weight: 11.7 lbs
>>
>
> Travel weight: --
>
> Height: 16.2 in
>
> Width: 15.7 in
>
> Depth: 8.6 in
>
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