[8] in bugtraq
Re: Internet Worm
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jonathan M. Bresler)
Mon Oct 17 20:00:14 1994
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:39:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM>
To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com>
Cc: bugtraq@fc.net
In-Reply-To: <9410172202.AA10902@snark.imsi.com>
On Mon, 17 Oct 1994, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> "Jonathan M. Bresler" says:
> > BUGGER the vendors. what with FreeBSD, linux, NetBSD, 4.4BSD
> > Lite and the rest of source code available UNIX operating systems. get
> > the source. read the source. use the source. after all its ours now!
> > the owner-de-jour of the code has declared 4.4BSD Lite free of taint.
> [...]
> > anyone want to create drop in replacement packages for sun, sgi
> > and the rest of the hardware vendors?
>
> Try fixing a kernel bug with non-vendor sources. Hell, try fixing most
> problems with non-vendor sources. Furthermore, my clients pay lots of
> money for software support so that they don't have to fix the problems
> themselves. Frankly, I think you are absolutely and completely wrong
> on this.
rcp, rsh, rlogin....are not kernel sources. try making the
code--works fine.
if youre saying that there are kernel bugs that compromise the
system.....then whose fault...where should we send our money?
lots of money for software support--which version of sendmail is
sun shipping these days? who ships the machine wide open? which binary
only bug fix was it that openned more holes than it fixed.
bitter? damn right i'm little bitter about this. if my car
worked this way, i'd...i'd.....i'd...buy japanese. (oh yeah, thats
right, i did buy japanese last time.....thanks to entrusting gm with my
money once too many times.)
damn it, we pay for this level of service as well--twice. once
for the vendor to do his part and then once for our own staff to fix the
problem.
look i like suns, i just wanna spend more time using it and less
time fixing the holes.
i posted the first part in a fit of pique. i should have just
let it ride. maybe someone will be helped by my advice, maybe not.
sigh. best of luck.
jmb
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