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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew Lukmann)
Wed Apr 14 13:51:13 2010
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:50:27 -0400
From: Andrew Lukmann <lukymann@MIT.EDU>
To: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>
CC: Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>,
The Other Other CFS <campaignforsanitizers@gmail.com>,
ua-senate@mit.edu
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You have to appreciate the irony. Of all of the things that the UA works
to accomplish throughout the year, how many people what have thought
that this is what would get the organization national attention? Go
figure...
BTW, here's the link to the CNN video:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/04/14/dnt.mit.body.odor.whdh
Congrats... I think.
Yours in the UA,
Andrew L.
On 4/14/2010 10:29 AM, Tim Jenks wrote:
> oh what a perfect representation of MIT students, right guys?
>
> the video made the front page of CNN too, under their latest news section.
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu
> <mailto:thilk@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> At least the article doesn't seem to have any glaring factual
> errors. It's obnoxious that we're getting press for this and not
> something more policy-oriented, though.
>
> Ted
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Janet Li <jli12@mit.edu
> <mailto:jli12@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> ... OMG, hahaha
>
> ---
> Janet Li
> MIT Class of 2012
> Dept. of Biological Engineering
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Alexandra Jordan
> <amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> Props to Janet!
>
> ... but seriously, we had a student protest last Friday
> and THIS is the story the local news runs? this would be a
> perfect example of why I watch the Daily Show for my news.
>
>
>
> alex
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:23 AM, The Other Other CFS wrote:
>
> http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/
>
> The Campaign for Sanitizers does not know whether to
> say congrats or...
>
> But in either case, "Way to get in the news Senate!"
>
> (although we still think Mandatory Showering on Kresge
> Oval would have
> been way more hilarious)
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Tim Stumbaugh
> <stum@mit.edu <mailto:stum@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> For those who lack the relevant context:
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20Student%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf
>
> On 10 Apr 2010 00.22, The Other Other CFS wrote:
>
>
> The Campaign for Sanitizers fully supports the
> spirit of this bill,
> but encourages consideration of a few other
> options:
>
> 1. turn on the sprinklers on Kresge Oval, drag
> all reading room
> occupants out there, enforce Mandatory Showering.
> Pros: essentially free, much more hysterical
> Cons: we hate anything mandatory
>
> 2. build a wall to divide the room into two
> sections, have a Smell
> Sheriff at the entrance determine whether a
> person belongs on the
> smell-free or smelly side.
> Pros: public shaming
> Cons: a decent wall is probably more
> expensive than the proposed
> expenditures.
>
> 3. don't allow (smelly) food
> Pros: would actually help if people
> followed it
> Cons: too obvious
>
> 4. shoot any smelly offenders
> Pros: sure would get the message across
> clearly
> Cons: might be illegal in some states.
> and countries. and might
> be ethically questionable.
>
> 5. close the damn Reading Room
> Pros: forces the smelly people to diffuse
> around campus. Then
> the space could be given to student groups.
> We hear that MITSFS would
> likely still love this idea.
> Cons: It has not been proven that the
> aforementioned
> substitution would make a significant positive
> impact with respect to
> the problem in question.
>
>
> In summary, The Campaign is against
> smelliness, but ironically has no
> strong stance in either direction on personal
> hygiene. So while The
> Campaign supports the spirit of this proposal,
> it would highly prefer
> a free and more amusing and shaming plan.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Other Other CFS
>
>
> ps - one point of inquiry: the Reading Room
> has a significant smell
> problem, but the neighboring cluster does not?
> This sure seems
> counter-intuitive to us.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Janet
> Li<jli12@mit.edu <mailto:jli12@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I wanted to give you a heads up on a bill
> I'm working on, which I'll try
> to
> send to Tim soon so that it can be on the
> agenda for our next meeting.
>
> The Committee on Space Planning has been
> working with the CAC to improve
> the
> Reading Room, namely the smell. The
> ventilation system and everything are
> working fine, so the main problem is
> probably just the students
> themselves,
> many of whom get locked up studying in the
> Reading Room without taking
> care
> of their hygiene. We've made some posters
> about stress and hygiene to
> raise
> awareness of this problem (which are going
> up soon, if they're not
> already
> up), but for finals week, we wanted to do
> something more. Together with
> Jennifer Smith (the assistant director of
> the CAC) and some of MIT's
> health
> educators, we've decided to tackle this
> hygiene issue by having free
> samples
> of toothpaste, soap, deodorant, and
> mouthwash available in the Reading
> Room
> for the last day of spring classes through
> the last day of finals (May
> 13-20).
>
> Jennifer was able to obtain free samples
> of toothpaste and soap, but for
> six
> days of 50 samples/day, the other products
> would cost: $174 for deodorant
> ($0.58/piece) and $267 for mouthwash
> ($0.89/piece). So the bill asks for
> a
> total of $441 from Senate Discretionary to
> cover the cost of these
> samples.
>
> What do you all think? Since the Reading
> Room and its smell are issues
> that
> affect many undergrads, and because the UA
> Committee on Space Planning
> has
> been working with the CAC on this, I think
> that it's reasonable to
> request
> this funding from the Senate discretionary
> fund. Jennifer is already
> using
> the CAC's funds to print posters and buy
> the display stands, as well as
> paying for the student graphics worker.
>
> Thanks,
> ---
> Janet Li
> MIT Class of 2012
> Dept. of Biological Engineering
> Undergraduate Association Baker Senator
>
>
> --
> -Tim
> "Now, I'll stop the storm if it rains."
>
>
> __________________________________
> Alexandra Jordan
>
> MIT 2011
> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
> Political Science
>
> amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>
> 916.813.7740
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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You have to appreciate the irony. Of all of the things that the UA
works to accomplish throughout the year, how many people what have
thought that this is what would get the organization national
attention? Go figure...<br>
<br>
BTW, here's the link to the CNN video: <a
href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/04/14/dnt.mit.body.odor.whdh">http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/04/14/dnt.mit.body.odor.whdh</a><br>
<br>
Congrats... I think.<br>
<br>
Yours in the UA,<br>
Andrew L.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/14/2010 10:29 AM, Tim Jenks wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:i2ra0c7d52e1004140729me92b3a64v62700e1757129c3c@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">oh what a perfect representation of MIT students, right
guys?<br>
<br>
the video made the front page of CNN too, under their latest news
section.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Ted Hilk <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thilk@mit.edu">thilk@mit.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">At
least the article doesn't seem to have any glaring factual errors.
It's obnoxious that we're getting press for this and not something
more policy-oriented, though.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
<div>Ted</div>
</font>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Janet Li
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jli12@mit.edu" target="_blank">jli12@mit.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">...
OMG, hahaha
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---<br>
Janet Li<br>
MIT Class of 2012<br>
Dept. of Biological Engineering<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:31 AM,
Alexandra Jordan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target="_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Props to Janet!<br>
<br>
... but seriously, we had a student protest last Friday and THIS is the
story the local news runs? this would be a perfect example of why I
watch the Daily Show for my news.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
alex
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<br>
<br>
On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:23 AM, The Other Other CFS wrote:<br>
<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/"
target="_blank">http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO139894/</a><br>
<br>
The Campaign for Sanitizers does not know whether to say congrats or...<br>
<br>
But in either case, "Way to get in the news Senate!"<br>
<br>
(although we still think Mandatory Showering on Kresge Oval would have<br>
been way more hilarious)<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stum@mit.edu" target="_blank">stum@mit.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
For those who lack the relevant context:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20Student%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf"
target="_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS40/passed/40%20UAS%206.1%20-%20Student%20Center%20Sanitizers.pdf</a><br>
<br>
On 10 Apr 2010 00.22, The Other Other CFS wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
The Campaign for Sanitizers fully supports the spirit of this bill,<br>
but encourages consideration of a few other options:<br>
<br>
1. turn on the sprinklers on Kresge Oval, drag all reading room<br>
occupants out there, enforce Mandatory Showering.<br>
Pros: essentially free, much more hysterical<br>
Cons: we hate anything mandatory<br>
<br>
2. build a wall to divide the room into two sections, have a Smell<br>
Sheriff at the entrance determine whether a person belongs on the<br>
smell-free or smelly side.<br>
Pros: public shaming<br>
Cons: a decent wall is probably more expensive than the proposed<br>
expenditures.<br>
<br>
3. don't allow (smelly) food<br>
Pros: would actually help if people followed it<br>
Cons: too obvious<br>
<br>
4. shoot any smelly offenders<br>
Pros: sure would get the message across clearly<br>
Cons: might be illegal in some states. and countries. and might<br>
be ethically questionable.<br>
<br>
5. close the damn Reading Room<br>
Pros: forces the smelly people to diffuse around campus. Then<br>
the space could be given to student groups. We hear that MITSFS would<br>
likely still love this idea.<br>
Cons: It has not been proven that the aforementioned<br>
substitution would make a significant positive impact with respect to<br>
the problem in question.<br>
<br>
<br>
In summary, The Campaign is against smelliness, but ironically has no<br>
strong stance in either direction on personal hygiene. So while The<br>
Campaign supports the spirit of this proposal, it would highly prefer<br>
a free and more amusing and shaming plan.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
The Other Other CFS<br>
<br>
<br>
ps - one point of inquiry: the Reading Room has a significant smell<br>
problem, but the neighboring cluster does not? This sure seems<br>
counter-intuitive to us.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Janet Li<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jli12@mit.edu" target="_blank">jli12@mit.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Hey everyone,<br>
<br>
I wanted to give you a heads up on a bill I'm working on, which I'll try<br>
to<br>
send to Tim soon so that it can be on the agenda for our next meeting.<br>
<br>
The Committee on Space Planning has been working with the CAC to improve<br>
the<br>
Reading Room, namely the smell. The ventilation system and everything
are<br>
working fine, so the main problem is probably just the students<br>
themselves,<br>
many of whom get locked up studying in the Reading Room without taking<br>
care<br>
of their hygiene. We've made some posters about stress and hygiene to<br>
raise<br>
awareness of this problem (which are going up soon, if they're not<br>
already<br>
up), but for finals week, we wanted to do something more. Together with<br>
Jennifer Smith (the assistant director of the CAC) and some of MIT's<br>
health<br>
educators, we've decided to tackle this hygiene issue by having free<br>
samples<br>
of toothpaste, soap, deodorant, and mouthwash available in the Reading<br>
Room<br>
for the last day of spring classes through the last day of finals (May<br>
13-20).<br>
<br>
Jennifer was able to obtain free samples of toothpaste and soap, but for<br>
six<br>
days of 50 samples/day, the other products would cost: $174 for
deodorant<br>
($0.58/piece) and $267 for mouthwash ($0.89/piece). So the bill asks for<br>
a<br>
total of $441 from Senate Discretionary to cover the cost of these<br>
samples.<br>
<br>
What do you all think? Since the Reading Room and its smell are issues<br>
that<br>
affect many undergrads, and because the UA Committee on Space Planning<br>
has<br>
been working with the CAC on this, I think that it's reasonable to<br>
request<br>
this funding from the Senate discretionary fund. Jennifer is already<br>
using<br>
the CAC's funds to print posters and buy the display stands, as well as<br>
paying for the student graphics worker.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
---<br>
Janet Li<br>
MIT Class of 2012<br>
Dept. of Biological Engineering<br>
Undergraduate Association Baker Senator<br>
<br>
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--<br>
-Tim<br>
"Now, I'll stop the storm if it rains."<br>
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__________________________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:amjordan@mit.edu"
target="_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a><br>
916.813.7740<br>
<br>
<br>
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