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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Quj 'echletHommey
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com)
Fri Nov 14 13:18:52 2014
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:18:29 -0500
To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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Until we get a word for =93dig=94, we can probably limp by with {QemjIq =
vIchenmoH} or {QemjIq vItebHa=92}, or something similar for {taSman}. =
Maybe {lam bo=92Dagh} would work for the tool, until something better =
comes along. Or {lam vIHmoHwI=92Hom}?
The interesting point in this segment of the vocabulary is that a hole =
appears to be a feature of a surface, rather than a void of material =
from a larger mass. It could well be that they never think about =
digging. They see the action as forming a hole or a ditch. Your labor =
creates the entity which is the hole or the ditch. Instead of seeing a =
hole as a place dirt used to be, you see the hole as something you made.
Language affects perception.
> On Nov 14, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> Maltz called a spade {'eSpeD}.
> We need a Klingon term for the >.< emoticon here.
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> Still no actual term for the tool, or indeed for the word dig (v) for =
the action of creating a jeqqIj or taSman.
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> On Friday, 14 November 2014, 16:03, Andr=E9 M=FCller =
<esperantist@gmail.com> wrote:
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> majQa'! De' chu' mu' chu' je. :)
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> For those of us who collect all the cannonical Klingon sentences, were =
the above mentioned 3 paragraphs said or written like this by Okrand, in =
Klingon? Or is this your Klingon explanation of what Okrand said or =
wrote in English?
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> I love the word {'urgh}, by the way. Enjoy the qepHom, folks!
> - Andr=E9
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> 2014-11-14 16:47 GMT+01:00 De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com =
<mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>>:
> For the qepHom, Maltz gave us some information which would make it =
easier to talk about card games, more advanced geometry, FASA-style =
ranks, computers and the Internet, knitting and knotting (incidentally =
also computer encryption), and... quantum mechanics. That's if I haven't =
forgotten anything, which I likely have, because we got a lot of new =
information.
> First, card games:
> DIvI' bIghHa'Daq 'echletHom Quj ghojpu' matlh. 'urghwI' 'oS Quj DIvI' =
Hol pong 'e' Harlaw' matlh. ({loQ DuQ} rur {'urgh}.)
> 52 'echletHommey ngaS DIvI' Quj 'echletHom vey. veyvaD 4 Deghmey =
wavlu'. ngIq Degh qellu'DI', wa'maH wej 'echletHommey tu'lu'. (le' =
mI'vam 'e' Harlaw' matlh.) Doq cha' Deghmey, 'ej qIj cha'.
> tlhIngan Quj Deghmey rur wej DIvI' Quj Deghmey: meyrI'mey (naghboch =
bIHbe'), pormey (tIqDu' rurbe' 'e' maq matlh), Sormey (jeqqIj, ghanjaq =
joq bIHbe') je. 'ach tlhIngan Quj Degh rurbe' latlh Degh. 'oHvaD DIvI' =
Hol mu' neH lo' matlh. (jatlh Marc Okrand, "He just called a spade =
{'eSpeD}.")
> mu' chu':
> {'urgh} - jab, poke (Note that Marc Okrand jokingly revealed this =
separately from the other requested computer words, even though it's =
clearly intended for the Facebook translators. ;-))
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Until we get a word for =93dig=94, we can =
probably limp by with {QemjIq vIchenmoH} or {QemjIq vItebHa=92}, or =
something similar for {taSman}. Maybe {lam bo=92Dagh} would work for the =
tool, until something better comes along. Or {lam =
vIHmoHwI=92Hom}?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The interesting point in this segment of the vocabulary is =
that a hole appears to be a feature of a surface, rather than a void of =
material from a larger mass. It could well be that they never think =
about digging. They see the action as forming a hole or a ditch. Your =
labor creates the entity which is the hole or the ditch. Instead of =
seeing a hole as a place dirt used to be, you see the hole as something =
you made.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Language affects perception.</div><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Nov 14, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Fiat Knox <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk" =
class=3D"">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Courier =
New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span class=3D"">Maltz called a spade {<span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">'eSpeD</span>}.</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, =
monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: =
normal;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">We need a Klingon term for the =
>.< emoticon here.</span></div><br class=3D"">Still no actual term =
for the tool, or indeed for the word <span style=3D"font-style: italic;" =
class=3D"">dig</span><span class=3D""> (v) for the action of creating a =
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">jeqqIj</span><span =
class=3D""> or <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" =
class=3D"">taSman</span></span>.</span><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div =
style=3D"font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""> <div style=3D"font-family: =
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Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: =
16px;" class=3D""> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""> <font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2" class=3D""> On Friday, 14 November 2014, 16:03, Andr=E9 =
M=FCller <<a href=3D"mailto:esperantist@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">esperantist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""> </font> =
</div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); =
margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" class=3D""> <br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div =
id=3D"yiv6052510522" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">majQa'! De' =
chu' mu' chu' je. :)<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div>For those of us who collect all the cannonical Klingon =
sentences, were the above mentioned 3 paragraphs said or written like =
this by Okrand, in Klingon? Or is this your Klingon explanation of what =
Okrand said or wrote in English?<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>I love the =
word {'urgh}, by the way. Enjoy the qepHom, folks!<br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div>- Andr=E9<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv6052510522gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv6052510522yqt6267718050" id=3D"yiv6052510522yqtfd60540"><div =
class=3D"yiv6052510522gmail_quote">2014-11-14 16:47 GMT+01:00 De'vID =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"yiv6052510522gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">For the qepHom, =
Maltz gave us some information which would make it easier to talk about =
card games, more advanced geometry, FASA-style ranks, computers and the =
Internet, knitting and knotting (incidentally also computer encryption), =
and... quantum mechanics. That's if I haven't forgotten anything, which =
I likely have, because we got a lot of new information.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">First, card games:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">DIvI' bIghHa'Daq 'echletHom Quj ghojpu' =
matlh. 'urghwI' 'oS Quj DIvI' Hol pong 'e' Harlaw' matlh. ({loQ DuQ} rur =
{'urgh}.)</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">52 'echletHommey ngaS DIvI' Quj 'echletHom =
vey. veyvaD 4 Deghmey wavlu'. ngIq Degh qellu'DI', wa'maH wej =
'echletHommey tu'lu'. (le' mI'vam 'e' Harlaw' matlh.) Doq cha' Deghmey, =
'ej qIj cha'.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">tlhIngan Quj Deghmey rur wej DIvI' Quj =
Deghmey: meyrI'mey (naghboch bIHbe'), pormey (tIqDu' rurbe' 'e' maq =
matlh), Sormey (jeqqIj, ghanjaq joq bIHbe') je. 'ach tlhIngan Quj Degh =
rurbe' latlh Degh. 'oHvaD DIvI' Hol mu' neH lo' matlh. (jatlh Marc =
Okrand, "He just called a spade {'eSpeD}.")</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">mu' chu':<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
{'urgh} - jab, poke (Note that Marc Okrand jokingly revealed this =
separately from the other requested computer words, even though it's =
clearly intended for the Facebook translators. ;-))</div><span =
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