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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLI Website

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Tue Mar 25 11:05:37 2014

In-Reply-To: <5331930D.3050903@gmx.de>
From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:04:53 -0400
To: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
 <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>
> That's what I have already said to Lawrence in person, and also on the
> discussion on facebook: We have many people willing to help, but it will
> certainly not be possible to get a complete identical looking look of the
> pages.
>

It's very easy to have all the pages look the same using CSS and a basic
framework like Twitter Bootstrap (as Brent suggested). The KLI just needs
to decide which way they want to do things and then have everyone stick to
that. For some examples of what can be done with CSS, Bootstrap and jQuery
checkout https://wrapbootstrap.com/. There's even bootstrap plugins for
MediaWiki, so the theme could be carried over to that system as well.


>
> This may have many reasons:
> - different ways of programming give different looks
>

If there is a style guide and standardized CSS there won't be any issues
with this, as long as people are using standard HTML5. If a theme is
defined, then everyone can use the same building blocks to construct their
parts of the site. If the site uses some kind of CMS, then it's even easier
to keep things looking the same.



> - software restrictions might make several things not possible
>

As a programmer I don't believe in "software restrictions". Anything is
possible if someone is willing to code it. :)

Most CMS packages have plugin support. Recently I developed several plugins
for WordPress, including one for the KAG site that shows club specific
information like rank, ship, etc directly on a user's profile. We could
have a section of the site that contains profiles for all the KLI members,
maybe listing which KLCP levels have been passed, roles held (BG, etc),
ability to proctor tests, qepHom's being hosted, works translated, etc.



> - some people just prefer their own design and would remain separate from
> the KLI-project, and that would be the largest problem, losing great
> sources.
>

This will always be an issue. There will always be people who prefer to do
it their own way, but I don't see this as an issue. If enough people are
working on the KLI-project, then any information the separate site could
provide should already be on the KLI site (even if it's just C&P'ed into a
Wiki).



>
> I do understand Lawrence' idea, but I'm not sure it's doable. Or maybe I'm
> still thinking wrong about it :-)
>

It's very doable if everyone works together as a team with a single, well
defined goal in mind. What we need is someone with strong project
management skills who has experience coordinating projects of this type and
scale.



>
> PS: I still have in mind my idea of KLI-approved sites; Lawrence thinks
> this might be second step, but in my opinion it should be the first step,
> because that's easier to start with: add a page on top of the kli.orgsaying "search for KLI approved sites" and it gives you lots of high
> quality klingon websites.
>
>
KLI Approved sites are great, once the KLI has solidified it's brand. Once
a new site is setup we can define a process for submitting and approving
KLI Approved Websites, so the process could be managed online by an
individual or group of people.

 qurgh

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"">
<br></div>
That&#39;s what I have already said to Lawrence in person, and also on the =
discussion on facebook: We have many people willing to help, but it will ce=
rtainly not be possible to get a complete identical looking look of the pag=
es.<br>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s very easy to have all the pages l=
ook the same using CSS and a basic framework like Twitter Bootstrap (as Bre=
nt suggested). The KLI just needs to decide which way they want to do thing=
s and then have everyone stick to that. For some examples of what can be do=
ne with CSS, Bootstrap and jQuery checkout=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wrapboot=
strap.com/">https://wrapbootstrap.com/</a>. There&#39;s even bootstrap plug=
ins for MediaWiki, so the theme could be carried over to that system as wel=
l.</div>

<div>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bord=
er-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
This may have many reasons:<br>
- different ways of programming give different looks<br></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>If there is a style guide and standardized CSS there won&#39;=
t be any issues with this, as long as people are using standard HTML5. If a=
 theme is defined, then everyone can use the same building blocks to constr=
uct their parts of the site. If the site uses some kind of CMS, then it&#39=
;s even easier to keep things looking the same.</div>

<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
- software restrictions might make several things not possible<br></blockqu=
ote><div><br>As a programmer I don&#39;t believe in &quot;software restrict=
ions&quot;. Anything is possible if someone is willing to code it. :)<br>

<br>Most CMS packages have plugin support. Recently I developed several plu=
gins for WordPress, including one for the KAG site that shows club specific=
 information like rank, ship, etc directly on a user&#39;s profile. We coul=
d have a section of the site that contains profiles for all the KLI members=
, maybe listing which KLCP levels have been passed, roles held (BG, etc), a=
bility to proctor tests, qepHom&#39;s being hosted, works translated, etc. =
=C2=A0<br>

<br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-le=
ft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
- some people just prefer their own design and would remain separate from t=
he KLI-project, and that would be the largest problem, losing great sources=
.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This will always be an issue. There w=
ill always be people who prefer to do it their own way, but I don&#39;t see=
 this as an issue. If enough people are working on the KLI-project, then an=
y information the separate site could provide should already be on the KLI =
site (even if it&#39;s just C&amp;P&#39;ed into a Wiki).</div>

<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I do understand Lawrence&#39; idea, but I&#39;m not sure it&#39;s doable. O=
r maybe I&#39;m still thinking wrong about it :-)<br></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>It&#39;s very doable if everyone works together as a team with a=
 single, well defined goal in mind. What we need is someone with strong pro=
ject management skills who has experience coordinating projects of this typ=
e and scale.</div>

<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
PS: I still have in mind my idea of KLI-approved sites; Lawrence thinks thi=
s might be second step, but in my opinion it should be the first step, beca=
use that&#39;s easier to start with: add a page on top of the <a href=3D"ht=
tp://kli.org" target=3D"_blank">kli.org</a> saying &quot;search for KLI app=
roved sites&quot; and it gives you lots of high quality klingon websites.<s=
pan class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>


<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>KLI Approved sites are great, once =
the KLI has solidified it&#39;s brand. Once a new site is setup we can defi=
ne a process for submitting and approving KLI Approved Websites, so the pro=
cess could be managed online by an individual or group of people.<br>

<br>=C2=A0qurgh</div></div></div></div>

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