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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLI Website

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Tue Mar 25 10:16:29 2014

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:16:13 -0400
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy@gmail.com>wrote:

> Okay, so let's talk about the KLI website.
>
> I would welcome your feedback and response to this idea. I'd like to have
> input of ideas
> for specific sites we should have in addition to the examples I've listed
> above. And I
> most especially want to hear from Klingonists with the technical skill and
> the enthusiasm
> to take on the responsibility of one or more of these KLI satellite
> websites.
>


I'm sure we have more than our fair share of web designers and developers
here. The key question is whether the volunteers can agree on the framework
to use for the overall look and feel. You might want to have one person in
charge of the overall design, while the satellites make changes mostly to
the content.

That common look and feel is going to be the hard part. Front-end web
design is a lot harder today than when the KLI website first went up.
People have come to expect a much cleaner look than they did in the 1990's,
and making that clean look can take a lot of time. HTML and CSS are not as
straightforward as they used to be. It's amazing how much overhead goes
into making sure the footer of your webpage actually sticks to the bottom
of the window. I actually find mucking with the HTTP protocol easier than
making sure a box on a webpage is the right size.

Some sort of design framework is necessary.

As for myself, as someone who has done mostly back-end work but has to
produce some minimal but professional looking front-ends, I like Bootstrap.
It lets me put up a good-looking website quickly using my basic knowledge
of HTML and CSS, without feeling like I have to go back to college to learn
a whole new technology. Best of all, it works well with phones and tablets
too.

http://getbootstrap.com/

That's just my suggestion. I'm sure someone here is a more experienced web
designer than me. I'm more than an amateur, but less than a professional.

bI'reng

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:klingonguy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">klingonguy@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Okay, so let&#39;s talk about the KLI web=
site.<div>
<br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I=
 would welcome your feedback and response to this idea. I&#39;d like to hav=
e input of ideas=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">for specific sit=
es we should have in addition to the examples I&#39;ve listed above. And I=
=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">most es=
pecially want to hear from Klingonists with the technical skill and the ent=
husiasm=A0</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to take on the r=
esponsibility of one or more of these KLI satellite websites.</div></div></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m sure we have mo=
re than our fair share of web designers and developers here. The key questi=
on is whether the volunteers can agree on the framework to use for the over=
all look and feel. You might want to have one person in charge of the overa=
ll design, while the satellites make changes mostly to the content.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That common look and feel is going to be the hard part.=
 Front-end web design is a lot harder today than when the KLI website first=
 went up. People have come to expect a much cleaner look than they did in t=
he 1990&#39;s, and making that clean look can take a lot of time. HTML and =
CSS are not as straightforward as they used to be. It&#39;s amazing how muc=
h overhead goes into making sure the footer of your webpage actually sticks=
 to the bottom of the window. I actually find mucking with the HTTP protoco=
l easier than making sure a box on a webpage is the right size.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Some sort of design framework is necessary.</div><div><=
br></div><div>As for myself, as someone who has done mostly back-end work b=
ut has to produce some minimal but professional looking front-ends, I like =
Bootstrap. It lets me put up a good-looking website quickly using my basic =
knowledge of HTML and CSS, without feeling like I have to go back to colleg=
e to learn a whole new technology. Best of all, it works well with phones a=
nd tablets too.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://getbootstrap.com/">http://getbootstra=
p.com/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s just my suggestion. I&#3=
9;m sure someone here is a more experienced web designer than me. I&#39;m m=
ore than an amateur, but less than a professional.</div>
<div><br></div><div>bI&#39;reng</div></div></div></div>

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