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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The Legend of Gorath part 4, with credits
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Mar 25 00:59:24 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Qov> Comments not exhaustive.
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From: Brad Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com]=20
Sent: March 24, 2014 20:23
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] The Legend of Gorath part 4, with credits
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Grandfather: That night, under the bright light of a full Praxis...
vavnI': qaStaHvIS ramvetlh bochlI' pIraqSIS maSwov.
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Qov> You don=E2=80=99t need qaStaHvIS with a timestamp. It=E2=80=99s not =
wrong, but I mention it here because: ramvetlh, bochtaHvIS pIraqSIS =
maSwov ... translates the sentence fragment more accurately. I =
don=E2=80=99t see why you=E2=80=99d choose =E2=80=93lI=E2=80=99 for the =
continuous aspect because the moonlight isn=E2=80=99t shining to an =
achievable end.
=20
Gorath: Who=E2=80=99s there?
ghoratlh: pa' 'Iv?
[sounds of fighting]
[may'Hom wab Qoylu']
=20
Grandfather: Noone was spared. So you see, Gorath=E2=80=99s boasting not =
only brought on his own doom but death for his loved ones as well. Had =
he not lied about his exploits perhaps one day he would have fought side =
by side with Kahless against Bronal. But it was not meant to be. Tell =
the story of your targh truthfully.
vavnI': pagh pollu'. yItu'. mIytaHmo' ghoratlh Qaw'pu'lu' 'ej vabDot =
bangpu'Daj peqlu'ta'. ta'meyqoqDaj ja'taHvIS nepbe'pu'chugh chaq qeylIS =
DopDaq bIro'nal ghoblaHpu'. 'ach qaS wanI'vam 'e' Hechbe' San. targh =
Dawam vIja'taHvIS yIvIt.
Qov> I would have been more direct and translated =E2=80=9CNo one was =
spared=E2=80=9D as Heghpu=E2=80=99 Hoch. It=E2=80=99s just clearer that =
way, and canon (QI=E2=80=99tomerDaq Heghpu=E2=80=99 Hoch) supports it. =
vaj would be a better transition that yItu=E2=80=99. Because the object =
precedes a verb, yItu=E2=80=99 seems to be directing the reader to =
observe the fact that nothing was kept, rather than the following =
statement. Not having read the previous installments I don=E2=80=99t =
know what the story of the targ is, but there=E2=80=99s a first person =
verb in the translation and none in the English, so I don=E2=80=99t =
follow.
=20
Boy: But it was my first kill...
loDHom: pagh HoHwIj wa'DIch 'oH...
Grandfather: Yes, and it was clumsy. My own first kill was every bit as =
inept. A warrior has a duty to honor, to truth, son of my son.
vavnI': HIja', 'ej Soy'pu'. vabDot po'Ha' HoHwIj wa'DIch. batlh vangnIS =
SuvwI' 'ej vItnIS. Qu'Daj 'oH, puqloDwI' puqloD.
Boy: I see.
loDHom: jIyaj.
Grandfather: You=E2=80=99ve eaten targh many times, yes? Has it ever =
tasted as good as this one?
vavnI': pIj targh vISopta' qar'a'? targhvam wejwa' rurbogh targh 'e' =
Damumpu''a'?
=20
Qov> Here it is again. I think you have a mismemorized prefix in your =
head. vISopta=E2=80=99 =3D I have eaten. =20
=20
Boy: Never.
loDHom: not.
Grandfather: That is enough to celebrate. There is no need to decorate =
your accomplishments.
vavnI': bIlopmeH yap Sovvetlh. ta'na'DajDaq ta'Hey latlh DachelnISbe'.
Boy: I understand.
loDHom: jIyaj.
=20
Grandfather: Good. Sleep now. Tomorrow we begin the long journey home.
vavnI': maj. DaH yIQong. wa'leS juH wIve'.
Boy: With our bellies full.
loDHom: 'ej buy' chorDu'maj.
Grandfather: Yes. With our bellies full. I am proud of you, son of my =
son.
vavnI': HIja'. buy' chorDu'maj. qaHem puqloDwI' puqloD.
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Qov> Hem isn=E2=80=99t glossed as =E2=80=9Cproud of=E2=80=9D. =
I=E2=80=99d prefer: SoHmo=E2=80=99 jIHem.
=20
Boy: Sleep well grandfather.
loDHom: yIQongchu' vavnI'oy.
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Boy / Grack / Bronal - Phil Lamarr
loDHom / ghIraq / bIro'nal - Phil Lamarr
Gorath / Spy - Jonathan Goldstein
ghoratlh / ghoqwI' - Jonathan Goldstein
Grandfather / Krek - Adam Bitterman
vavnI' / qIreq - Adam Bitterman
Aunt / Barwench - Camille Ameen
'e'mamnal / tebwI' - Camille Ameen
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Written by Paul Plunkett
lut ghItlhta' <Paul Plunkett>
Produced by John Sylvain
much lIngta' <John Sylvain>
=20
Art and Animation by Bernard Chang
HaStamey chenmoHta' <Bernard Chang>
Edited by Les Hidvegi
ghItlh lughmoHta' <Les Hidvegi>
Sound Engineer - Ira Ingbar
QIch wab je qonta' <Ira Ingbar>
=20
Based on Star Trek
<Star Trek>vo' chen qech
Created by Gene Roddenberry
chenmoHta' <Gene Roddenberry>
=20
>>> Here ends the Legend of Gorath <<<
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mughta' gheyIl }:-)
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Qov> Comments not exhaustive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brad =
Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> March 24, 2014 =
20:23<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Tlhingan-hol] The Legend of Gorath part 4, with =
credits<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: That night, under the bright light of a full =
Praxis...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': qaStaHvIS ramvetlh bochlI' pIraqSIS =
maSwov.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Qov> You don=E2=80=99t need qaStaHvIS with a timestamp. =
It=E2=80=99s not wrong, but I mention it here because: ramvetlh, =
bochtaHvIS pIraqSIS maSwov ... translates the sentence fragment more =
accurately. I don=E2=80=99t see why you=E2=80=99d choose =
=E2=80=93lI=E2=80=99 for the continuous aspect because the moonlight =
isn=E2=80=99t shining to an achievable =
end.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
orath: Who=E2=80=99s there?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>g=
horatlh: pa' 'Iv?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>[=
sounds of fighting]<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>[=
may'Hom wab Qoylu']<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: Noone was spared. So you see, Gorath=E2=80=99s boasting not =
only brought on his own doom but death for his loved ones as well. Had =
he not lied about his exploits perhaps one day he would have fought side =
by side with Kahless against Bronal. But it was not meant to be. Tell =
the story of your targh truthfully.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': pagh pollu'. yItu'. mIytaHmo' ghoratlh Qaw'pu'lu' 'ej vabDot =
bangpu'Daj peqlu'ta'. ta'meyqoqDaj ja'taHvIS nepbe'pu'chugh chaq qeylIS =
DopDaq bIro'nal ghoblaHpu'. 'ach qaS wanI'vam 'e' Hechbe' San. targh =
Dawam vIja'taHvIS yIvIt.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><br><br>Qov> I would have been more direct and translated =
=E2=80=9CNo one was spared=E2=80=9D as Heghpu=E2=80=99 Hoch. =
It=E2=80=99s just clearer that way, and canon (QI=E2=80=99tomerDaq =
Heghpu=E2=80=99 Hoch) supports it. vaj would be a better transition that =
yItu=E2=80=99. Because the object precedes a verb, yItu=E2=80=99 seems =
to be directing the reader to observe the fact that nothing was kept, =
rather than the following statement. Not having read the previous =
installments I don=E2=80=99t know what the story of the targ is, but =
there=E2=80=99s a first person verb in the translation and none in the =
English, so I don=E2=80=99t follow.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: But it was my first kill...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: pagh HoHwIj wa'DIch 'oH...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: Yes, and it was clumsy. My own first kill was every bit as =
inept. A warrior has a duty to honor, to truth, son of my =
son.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': HIja', 'ej Soy'pu'. vabDot po'Ha' HoHwIj wa'DIch. batlh vangnIS =
SuvwI' 'ej vItnIS. Qu'Daj 'oH, puqloDwI' =
puqloD.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: I see.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: jIyaj.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: You=E2=80=99ve eaten targh many times, yes? Has it ever =
tasted as good as this one?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': pIj targh vISopta' qar'a'? targhvam wejwa' rurbogh targh 'e' =
Damumpu''a'?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Qov> Here it is again. I think you have a mismemorized prefix in =
your head. vISopta=E2=80=99 =3D I have eaten. =
=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: Never.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: not.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: That is enough to celebrate. There is no need to decorate =
your accomplishments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': bIlopmeH yap Sovvetlh. ta'na'DajDaq ta'Hey latlh =
DachelnISbe'.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: I understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: jIyaj.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: Good. Sleep now. Tomorrow we begin the long journey =
home.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': maj. DaH yIQong. wa'leS juH =
wIve'.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: With our bellies full.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: 'ej buy' chorDu'maj.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather: Yes. With our bellies full. I am proud of you, son of my =
son.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI': HIja'. buy' chorDu'maj. qaHem puqloDwI' =
puqloD.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Qov> Hem isn=E2=80=99t glossed as =E2=80=9Cproud of=E2=80=9D. =
I=E2=80=99d prefer: SoHmo=E2=80=99 jIHem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy: Sleep well grandfather.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom: yIQongchu' vavnI'oy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
oy / Grack / Bronal - Phil Lamarr<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
oDHom / ghIraq / bIro'nal - Phil =
Lamarr<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
orath / Spy - Jonathan Goldstein<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>g=
horatlh / ghoqwI' - Jonathan =
Goldstein<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
randfather / Krek - Adam Bitterman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>v=
avnI' / qIreq - Adam Bitterman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
unt / Barwench - Camille Ameen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>'=
e'mamnal / tebwI' - Camille Ameen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
ritten by Paul Plunkett<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>l=
ut ghItlhta' <Paul Plunkett><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>P=
roduced by John Sylvain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>m=
uch lIngta' <John Sylvain><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
rt and Animation by Bernard Chang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>H=
aStamey chenmoHta' <Bernard =
Chang><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>E=
dited by Les Hidvegi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>g=
hItlh lughmoHta' <Les Hidvegi><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>S=
ound Engineer - Ira Ingbar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Q=
Ich wab je qonta' <Ira Ingbar><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
ased on Star Trek<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
lt;Star Trek>vo' chen qech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>C=
reated by Gene Roddenberry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>c=
henmoHta' <Gene Roddenberry><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;>> Here ends the Legend of Gorath =
<<<<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>m=
ughta' gheyIl }:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>
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