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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The Legend of Gorath part 3
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Wilson)
Sun Mar 23 22:07:16 2014
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From: Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm not completely clear on which speech verbs use 'e' and which do not.
Does it depend on whether it's directly quoted speech or not.
{yIH vImuS ja'} "I hate tribbles, he said"
{yIH muS 'e' ja'} "He said that he hates tribbles"
Regarding noun-noun constructions, it would seem that a possessive should g=
oes on the 2nd noun. {'Iw HIqDaj} sounds so much more correct than the maca=
bre {'IwDaj HIq}.
I had written {HoSwIJ Hoch} but perhaps {HoS HochwIj} is more correct?
About the alternative {HoSwIj naQ}. Does the possessive go on the noun like=
that, or on the verb-adjective as in {HoS naQwIj} ?
>> pe'vIl roS jIvang.
> The purpose of {roS} here isn't clear
I have from HQ 10.2 that {pe'vIl roS} is an adverbial idiom to convey agile=
, nimble or spry.
Given that, I do prefer your rendering with nouns - the repetition is quite=
satisfying.
> SIQmeH Seghchaj 'Iq DowIj, 'Iq laHwIj, 'Iq QobwIj
I take your point about my use of {tlhop'a'}.
Are there any restrictions to placing noun suffixes on pronouns?
Could I say {SoH'a' tlhop} "in front of your greatness"?
How about belittling someone with {-Hom} on a pronoun?
>> HoSghajchu' 'e' vIvItchugh
I think what I meant to say was {HoSghajchu' 'e' DavItchugh} "If you tell t=
he truth that he is so powerful"
You suggested {HoSghajchu' 'e' vIvoqchugh}, but {voq} doesn't sit quite rig=
ht with me. How about {HoSghajchu' 'e' vIHarchugh} ?
As always, murach QaHlIj.
gheyIl
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>
<div><font face=3D"arial">I'm not completely clear on which speech verbs us=
e 'e' and which do not.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">Does it depend on whether it's directly quoted sp=
eech or not.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">{yIH vImuS ja'} "I hate tribbles, he said"</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">{yIH muS 'e' ja'} "He said that he hates tribbles=
"</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">Regarding noun-noun constructions, it would seem =
that a possessive should goes on the 2nd noun. {'Iw HIqDaj} sounds so much =
more correct than the macabre {'IwDaj HIq}.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">I had written {HoSwIJ Hoch} but perhaps {HoS Hoch=
wIj} is more correct?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">About the alternative {HoSwIj naQ}. Does the poss=
essive go on the noun like that, or on the verb-adjective as in {HoS naQwIj=
} ?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">>> pe'vIl roS jIvang.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">> The purpose of {roS} here isn't clear</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">I have from HQ 10.2 that {pe'vIl roS} is an adver=
bial idiom to convey agile, nimble or spry.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">Given that, I do prefer your rendering with nouns=
- the repetition is quite satisfying.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">> SIQmeH Seghchaj 'Iq DowIj, 'Iq laHwIj, 'Iq Q=
obwIj</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">I take your point about my use of {tlhop'a'}.</fo=
nt></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">Are there any restrictions to placing noun suffix=
es on pronouns?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">Could I say {SoH'a' tlhop} "in front of your grea=
tness"?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">How about belittling someone with {-Hom} on a pro=
noun?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">>> HoSghajchu' 'e' vIvItchugh</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">I think what I meant to say was {HoSghajchu' 'e' =
DavItchugh} </font><span style=3D"font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt;=
">"If you tell the truth that he is so powerful"</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">You suggested {HoSghajchu' 'e' vIvoqchugh}, but {=
voq} doesn't sit quite right with me. How about {HoSghajchu' 'e' vIHarchugh=
} ?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">As always, murach QaHlIj.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial">gheyIl</font></div>
</font>
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