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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Negative Numbers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv)
Sat Mar 8 09:16:27 2014
From: "lojmIt tI'wI' nuv" <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <FC2E557D-A15A-4931-A99C-620E3B7CD039@alcaco.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 09:16:01 -0500
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Well, we don't have canon to pronounce anything as the correct word. In most=
languages, when you need to describe something for which there is no word, d=
ifferent people choose different words or phrases to express it, and as long=
as others understand, that's okay. There doesn't have to be one right way t=
o say it until canon arises.=20
I'd probably prefer {nge'lu'pu'bogh} over {nge'bogh} since the latter begs t=
he question of who is the implied subject. Even more precisely, {paghvo' nge=
'lu'pu'bogh} mimics the commonly redundant English phrasing. One might wonde=
r if {taH} has a more generic meaning and Maltz simply has only been asked a=
bout it in the context of measuring angles.=20
{yoy} obviously worked at least once. It assumes a vertical axis on some sor=
t of one or two dimensional graphing. So long as both people share that anal=
og for the measurement, it works. If you speak of a measurement with a horiz=
ontal gauge, it might be just as accurate to say {pagh poSDaq}, unless Kling=
on gauges read right to left.=20
Of course, canon can do whatever it damned well pleases. We might have new n=
umber words that express negative versions of powers of ten (or three, if th=
ey are used rarely enough to have not gone through the evolution of positive=
numbers), or there could be alternative scales for each area of measurement=
with a lower zero, like our several scales for temperature, progressing to K=
elvin, which we don't use unless we have to.=20
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 7:48 AM, ghunchu'wI' <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
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>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>=20
>> Currently thinking about negative numbers, and wondering about how to exp=
ress them in Klingon, while we're waiting for Maltz to come back and tell us=
. nge'bogh springs to mind. Any ideas?
>=20
> rugh? ;-)
>=20
> A few weeks ago Qov and I were chatting about the weather and I wanted to d=
escribe the subzero temperatures. I found myself saying {cha'maH yoy Celcius=
}.
>=20
> -- ghunchu'wI'=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Well, we don't have canon to pronounce=
anything as the correct word. In most languages, when you need to describe s=
omething for which there is no word, different people choose different words=
or phrases to express it, and as long as others understand, that's okay. Th=
ere doesn't have to be one right way to say it until canon arises.&nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>I'd probably prefer {nge'lu'pu'bogh} over {nge'b=
ogh} since the latter begs the question of who is the implied subject. Even m=
ore precisely, {paghvo' nge'lu'pu'bogh} mimics the commonly redundant Englis=
h phrasing. One might wonder if {taH} has a more generic meaning and Maltz s=
imply has only been asked about it in the context of measuring angles. =
</div><div><br></div><div>{yoy} obviously worked at least once. It assumes a=
vertical axis on some sort of one or two dimensional graphing. So long as b=
oth people share that analog for the measurement, it works. If you speak of a=
measurement with a horizontal gauge, it might be just as accurate to say {p=
agh poSDaq}, unless Klingon gauges read right to left. </div><div><br><=
/div><div>Of course, canon can do whatever it damned well pleases. We might h=
ave new number words that express negative versions of powers of ten (or thr=
ee, if they are used rarely enough to have not gone through the evolution of=
positive numbers), or there could be alternative scales for each area of me=
asurement with a lower zero, like our several scales for temperature, progre=
ssing to Kelvin, which we don't use unless we have to. </div><div><br><=
/div><div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 8, 2014, at 7:48 AM, ghunch=
u'wI' <<a href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:39 A=
M, Fiat Knox <<a href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co=
.uk</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div s=
tyle=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, t=
imes, serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>Currently thinking about negative num=
bers, and wondering about how to express them in Klingon, while we're waitin=
g for Maltz to come back and tell us. <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">nge=
'bogh</span><span> springs to mind. Any ideas?</span></span></div></div></di=
v></blockquote><br><div>rugh? ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>A few weeks ago Q=
ov and I were chatting about the weather and I wanted to describe the subzer=
o temperatures. I found myself saying {cha'maH yoy Celcius}.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>-- ghunchu'wI' </div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><s=
pan>Tlhingan-hol mailing list</span><br><span><a href=3D"mailto:Tlhingan-hol=
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hingan-hol</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>=
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