[97051] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 10
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Aug 28 14:46:13 2013
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <521E3DD3.7060103@trimboli.name>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:45:33 -0700
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
vIlajqu'. I thought about you elsewhere when I called out aspect, can't
remember if I sent it yet. Watch for it.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Trimboli [mailto:david@trimboli.name]
Sent: August 28, 2013 11:14 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 10
On 8/28/2013 1:32 PM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> romuluSngan tengchaHDaq torgh lujol 'e' luHech. tengchaH noch pat
> ghunnISqa' torgh. Qu' DeltaHvIS maQ, tagha' qagh torgh. jatlh,
> "Qaghlu'pu''a'? mang chu'qu' jIH. wa'Hu' mangHom neH jIH. not wo'vaD
> Qu' vIta'pu'. jIH tuneHbej'a'?"
I haven't been paying attention to this, but I skimmed this one, and noticed
you're not using aspect where it's needed. Specifically:
Qu' DeltaHvIS maQ, tagha' qaghpu' torgh.
Without an aspect suffix, TKD tells us, the verb is specifically not
continuous and not completed. Torg doesn't TEND to interrupt Mac or
SOMETIMES interrupt him or HAVE A HABIT of interrupting him or just
generally THINK ABOUT interrupting him or FEEL LIKE interrupting him or have
an interrupting QUALITY about himself; Torg DOES interrupt Mac, end of
action. The interrupting being described is a completed thing.
His speech is also a thing that is done once and completed. Therefore,
{jatlh} should also have {-pu'}.
maQ qaghpu' torgh
Torg's interruption of Mac is described as completed, whether now, earlier,
or later.
maQ qaghta' torgh
Torg's interruption of Mac is described, not only as completed, but as
intentionally carried out to be completed.
maQ qaghtaH torgh
Torg's interruption is described as an ongoing thing: Mac is speaking and
Torg interrupts him over and over again.
maQ qaghlI' torgh
Torg interrupts Mac over and over again as above, but he's doing it to
achieve a specific goal
maQ qagh torgh
Torg tends to interrupt Mac from time to time, or someone is describing the
idea of Torg interrupting Mac without referring to a specific instance of
his doing so.
romuluSngan tengchaHDaq torgh luchol 'e' luHech They intend to beam Torg to
the Romulan space station, but it's only an intention and they haven't
actually done it, so the action is not a completed one or a continuous one,
and does not deserve an aspect suffix.
tengchaH noch pat ghunnISqa' torgh.
Torg needs to reprogram the station's sensor system, but this means he
hasn't completed it and it's not ongoing. You're talking about his need, not
his doing.
--
SuStel
http://www.trimboli.name/
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