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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {-Ha'} with {-Qo'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Sun Jul 7 12:27:19 2013
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 17:26:55 +0100 (BST)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Alex Greene <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>,
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> No, that's not right either. I suppose {vIHoHQo'be'} and {vIHoHbe'Qo'} bo=
th make sense. I don't know why I thought otherwise.=0A=0AIn imperatives, -=
be' cannot be used: you use -Qo' for "don't!" instead. But -Qo' in a non-im=
perative carries the meaning of refusal, so {vIHoHQo'be'} should carry the =
meaning /I DO NOT refuse to kill him/ and {vIHoHbe'Qo'} should carry the me=
aning /I refuse to NOT kill him/, if my TKD is correct.
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><span style=3D"font-style: i=
talic;">> No, that's not right either. I suppose {vIHoHQo'be'} and {vIHo=
Hbe'Qo'} both make sense. I don't know why I thought otherwise.</span><br><=
br>In imperatives, <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">-be'</span> cannot be=
used: you use <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">-Qo'</span> for "<span st=
yle=3D"font-style: italic;">don't</span>!" instead. But <span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">-Qo'</span> in a non-imperative carries the meaning of <spa=
n style=3D"font-style: italic;">refusal</span>, so {<span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">vIHoHQo'be'</span>} should carry the meaning <span>/</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-style: italic;">I DO NOT refuse to kill him</span>/ and {<s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">vIHoHbe'Qo'</span>} should carry the meani=
ng /<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">I refuse to NOT kill him</span>/, if=
my TKD is
correct.<br><br><br><div><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(1=
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